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00:00 This free program is paid for by the listeners of Redwood Community Radio. If you’re not already a member, please think of joining us. Thank you. This free program is paid for by the listeners of Redwood Community Radio. If you’re not already a member, please think of joining us. Thank you. Probably including chemtrails. Tune in and call in this Sunday at 1.30 p.m. to edge of the herd. Keep your heads up. And Support for Chemud comes in part from Golden Dragon Medicinal Syrup, an anti-inflammatory, anti-fungal, antibacterial, antioxidant medicine made without heat or ice. Golden Dragon Medicinal Syrup is organic, edible, topical, cosmetic, and water soluble. Information is available at Golden Dragon Medicinal Syrup at gmail.com and by phone at 707-223-1539. And as always, the views and opinions expressed throughout the broadcast are those of the speakers 01:04 and not necessarily those of the station, its staff, or underwriters. Time will be made available for other viewpoints. Thank you for joining us. And, you know, for the record, that was not my view. They made me say that, and I think that is the one thing that the station does have as its own view, is that the views are yours. Anyway, here comes… …Astura Doctor. 02:13 Welcome to this month’s Ask Your Herb Doctor. My name’s Andrew Murray. My name’s Sarah Johanneson Murray. For those of you who perhaps have never listened to our shows, which run every third Friday of the month from 7 to 8 p.m., we are both licensed medical herbalists who trained in England and graduated there with a degree in herbal medicine. We run a clinic in Garberville where we consult with clients about a wide range of conditions, and we manufacture all our own certified organic herbal extracts which are either grown on our CCF certified herb farm or which are sourced from other USA certified organic suppliers. So you’re listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMUD Garberville, 91.1 FM, and from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o’clock, you’re invited to call him with any questions either related or unrelated. This month’s mixed topic of hormone replacement therapy, estrogen, along with the inflammatory effects of estrogen, 03:18 as well as some other popularly accepted hormones like serotonin, melatonin, and 5-HTP. So we can discuss the roles of those particular materials in our bodies and why they’re not actually that good for us. So once again, we’re very pleased to be joined by Dr. Rapey who will be sharing his research and knowledge surrounding these topics. The number here if you live in the area is 923-3911, or if you live outside the area, the toll free number is 1-800-KMUD-RAD, that’s 1-800-568-3723. We can also be reached toll free on one 888-WBM-URB for further questions during normal business hours Monday through Friday. So science, whilst responsible for many excellent breakthroughs, is unfortunately subject to the same scandals that beset many excellent thoughts. While studying physiology myself, I, like many others, was subject to what I now understand as an indoctrination, if you will, 04:22 into an erroneous state of pseudo-fact and that one of those things was the receptor model used in physiology. With one particular hormone, namely estrogen, which will be subject partly at least tonight’s discussion with Dr. Peat, this being a perpetrator of much deceit on the behalf of a big farmer. Why was HRT so promoted and how did the truth behind estrogen effects get so covered up? Well this question and many other answers will be opened up in tonight’s interview with Dr. including the facts surrounding the melatonin serotonin 5-HT craze. So thank you once again Dr. Peat for joining us on the show. Again, as always, we always get comments from people after the show. I know a lot of people that listen to the show have either emailed us or contacted us regarding information that you’ve been sharing and how they can get hold of more information so they can be a little bit better informed. 05:29 Now, as usual, some people will have tuned into the show and maybe may have never heard of you. Would you just open up with your background, your scientific background? Okay, as a kid I was interested in science but I would read old medical books and encyclopedias and such and I very early got the impression that education was largely indoctrination and I found that literature as an undergraduate was a field where I could see the actual evidence, the material that we were studying without interpretation of the professors. So it was years and years later that I finally decided to go to graduate school in science when I realized that I could get through it without having to fight with professors. I could just be quiet and do what I wanted to do. 06:34 So I enrolled at the University of Oregon in the biology department starting as a specializing in nerve biology. I was interested in how the brain could do things like handling language and images and such and I saw that the whole direction of the brain biology was towards a very reductionist computer analogy and looking around the department I saw that the other end of the organism, the reproductive physiology was much more scientific and so I shifted over to that specialization and my professor would, if I would get unusual results would say well if it’s repeatable just go ahead but in the nerve biology section if the results or the interpretation were a little off it really, 07:43 you had to throw away the evidence. Okay, with that word indoctrination I think it’s a very good place rather to start tonight’s expose. I know the scandals surrounding HRT that was kind of revealed as it were mainstream not too long ago is a very good place to begin tonight’s talk. In terms of indoctrination and the models that were so popular then and probably still are now when I was studying the whole receptor ligand interaction was just dogmatic and a particular compound elicited, a particular effect when it was bound to an enzyme or to a cell that surrounding estrogen, the estrogen receptor, you actually have a very good understanding 08:44 of the background enzymatically how it was before it was taken over by and unfortunately I know it’s another conspiracy as it were but it’s the truth in terms of pre-1940s with the enzyme, the people studying enzyme interactions were then effectively taken over by big pharma and corporate manufacture for want of increase from their products and the whole estrogen receptor is a bit of a non-entity I understand. It was 1970 when I was working on my dissertation and I was studying the metabolism of the uterus in aging animals and trying to understand why in middle age infertility came about and the particular metabolic studies that I was doing corresponded to increased estrogen stimulation with aging 09:52 and that led me since all of the current textbooks in the 1960s were saying that menopause is when the ovaries wear out and stop producing estrogen so I read way back to about 1900 and up to the 1940s and 50s and I saw there was a sudden change in 1942 all through the 1930s when my thesis advisor was a student into the 1940s. His thesis advisor was Richard Blandow who was later at the University of Washington Medical School and Soderwald and Blandow were among people who were studying the effects of excess estrogen on the uterus 10:54 and they showed that if you gave a graded dose increasing amounts of estrogen caused miscarriage at earlier and the smallest dose would cause miscarriage at a very early stage and if you waited until very late in the pregnancy it would take a bigger dose but it was a very continuous graded effect in which the estrogen slight excess would be sufficient to kill the developing embryo and this was going on all through the late 1930s into the 1940s and the hormones of the ovary were identified in the mid 1930s as the very major substance produced in the ovary was progesterone 11:55 and estrogen was a minor substance but it turned out that other people doing research on how estrogen worked at this time saw that soot just put a spoon in a candle flame and then extracted in the solvent you could get hundreds of different estrogenic substances out of just soot and this was wonderful for the drug industries because everyone could find an estrogen to patent but there was only one natural progesterone and so that was not a viable drug because no one had a patent on it so by 1942 the 13 major estrogen companies had their synthetic estrogens and the situation scientifically was that estrogen caused infertility and was associated with aging 12:59 but since they had products they said here we have the female hormone and being female means being able to have babies and so estrogen must be what causes women to have babies and they wanted to sell it for some popular use so they could sell it to millions of women and they came up with the idea that it would prevent miscarriage and so they were prescribing it for years to women to prevent miscarriage and to make it healthier for babies and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on to women to prevent miscarriage and to make it healthier for babies and so on 14:01 and it turned out well probably they never would have had to stop selling it even though it was causing cancer and deformity but about the same time it was getting recognized that DES causes cancer and doesn’t prevent miscarriage but actually increases the risk they were getting interested in a new project to sell to even more women the birth control pill so when they decided that the time was right in the 1940s they didn’t want their drug company known as the abortion producer but by 1959 or 60 abortion was becoming or contraception was becoming acceptable but still abortion was a taboo 15:03 so they invented a story saying that if you take estrogen it will suppress your body’s estrogen and prevent miscarriage by lowering your estrogen and so they came out with the contraceptive so-called abortion pill just as it was recognized that DES was causing miscarriages and cancer so they lost one product but immediately came out with another falsified story to sell the birth control pills In terms of the dogma behind receptor physiology what is the truth behind whether or not estrogen binds to a specific receptor and the lies surrounding the so-called science that was produced in order to support the estrogen industry? 16:04 These people who were doing the real science were trying to explain why estrogen had these toxic effects and they thought that natural estrogen was imitated by these polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in soot which were famous and recognized as carcinogens and estrogen was known to be carcinogenic and so they were studying the properties of soot and estrogen and finding that given estrogenic properties the substance was also tended to produce inflammation and cancer very close association electronically in the nature of the molecule and these were activating enzyme systems in particular ways according to the exact nature of that inflammatory carcinogenic estrogenic electronic configuration 17:15 and this was reaching a peak in the 1950s and the government moved some of their investment from chemical warfare into endocrine research the opinion of many people is that the intention was to use it for population control the Nazis had been using estrogen on people in slave camps and such but the US government got very interested in estrogen after the Second World War and they gave a big grant to a group who, it’s an ongoing tradition of a group associated with the University of Chicago, Michigan and Lawrence, Livermore, Radiation Lab and UC Berkeley 18:21 the project that was funded for Elwood Jensen was the leader of it he had been working in chemical warfare and wanted to create a new idea for how estrogen worked that would not involve all of this interesting chemistry which explained why estrogen was a very intense toxin and carcinogen he wanted to say that all it does is activate the female genes that women are characterized by having a uterus and breasts and the function of these is governed by their genes, their female genes and these genes are activated in their particular organs by estrogen somehow turning a switch that would only activate those female genes 19:31 and not involve all of this nasty chemistry of cancer and inflammation but they knew that soot caused cancer in the late 1800s from the chimney sweeps but that was exactly what Jensen wanted people to forget by saying just forget all of this enzymology and chemistry that people have been working on which in such elegant ways showed the similarities of the carcinogens and estrogens but he wanted to say that it’s like a lock and key the female organs have a very specific lock and the estrogen is a key that sticks only into that lock estrogen receptors are now known to be found all throughout the body right? and in men but no one was at that time the real science was thinking of the whole cell and the whole organism as the responsive unit to things like estrogen 20:40 but Elwood Jensen, he was arguing that there was just one little switch molecule in the cell which would neatly turn on only the female genes and so it wouldn’t have the possibility of these other actions the Defense Department funded, well, Atomic Energy Commission gave him permission to use radioactive isotopes and supplied the isotopes and other labs, his competition didn’t have either the grants or the isotopes they’re very tightly controlled by the Atomic Energy Commission and he labeled estrogen and found that it concentrated in organs like the uterus and since the entomologists were saying that it affects the whole energy system of the organism and the cell 21:51 changing the oxidation reduction processes and participating in the chemistry of the cell he labeled two different kinds of estrogen put labels in two different places and added them to the uterine tissue and said that there was no interchange between the two there were no oxidative reactions in which estrogen participated and he published that I think it was 1962 and the entomologists had been, the whole thing was based on estrogen participating as a chemical reactant and he had the only means by which to demonstrate what he claimed so his opponents didn’t have the grants or the isotopes to challenge that 22:53 to disprove it because the research up until that point had been showing the estrogen causes cancer and the drug companies after 1942 wanted to sell the oral contraceptive pill they wanted to sell DES which is known to cause cancer for generations later and the babies of the mothers who took it and now HRT so they were talking about three different majorly used drugs that they knew cause cancer and doctors are still prescribing them today and some of the particular enzymes involved in cancer and estrogen function were well known to the entomologists but Elwood Jensen’s group said no they don’t use the fancy isotope demonstration to say no they don’t participate they’re not oxidized and reduced but 10 or 15 years later after the receptor dogma had been imposed on the world of biology 24:00 other people started using isotopes and showing that yes the older entomologists were exactly right estrogen does participate as a catalyst in enzyme reactions especially transhydrogenation reactions that connect energy production to gene turnover and cell growth and so on so that’s how it initiates cancer cells? yeah it allows the energy to be short circuited over into the growth rather than the function mechanism so the cell stops functioning and doing its normal cellular functioning and just the estrogen turns on the cell growth processes? yeah it drains the energy right out of function in the growth very scary ok one sec you’re listening to ask a doctor on K.M.D. Garberville 91.1 FM from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o’clock you’re invited to call in with any questions either related or unrelated 25:04 so this month’s topic or mixed topics of estrogen, DHT, serotonin and those hormones that are particularly bandied around by doctors and the mainstream as being helpful and beneficial when in fact the science is there quite clearly to say the opposite and we are very privileged to be joined by Dr Raymond Peake who has many years of research under his belt to just tell us all about it so Dr Peake again I’m interested about the, because I know that I’ve mentioned this in the past and I think you’ve brought it up on one of the previous shows about water, water H2O as we know it is not just straight forward water and I read some alchemical treaties about the way they would capture lightning water or water that was subjected to fall out during storms and how this water was energetically more active 26:05 and actually modern science has shown that H2O exists in many different states and there is a very different mechanism by which water can act cellulally or intracellularly and I’m interested from a point of view of what we’re talking about now with estrogen involved in redox reactions how that actually comes out in terms of cancer? Well the fastest change that you can see in a cell within a minute or two of exposing it to estrogen is that it just instantly starts taking up water and as it takes up water the water gets out of the cell’s control and that’s part of this short circuiting the energy process the microtubules that are an organizing force in the cell that lets it do the work it’s supposed to 27:10 these are depolymerized in the presence of estrogen and disorganized and that’s part of the cancer problem that the cell can’t communicate from one part to the other because the microtubules are messed up and the division process even can reach the point where it can’t separate the chromosomes evenly and you get the imbalance of chromosomes making the cancer de-generate the water is normally under control of adjoining surfaces so that it’s very unlike bulk water but in the presence of estrogen it becomes bulk like so that one of my experiments at the university was to put an old uterus, a young uterus 28:13 and an estrogen treated uterus in an MRI machine and we could show that the old uterus and the estrogen treated uterus had loose water disorganized water that could be distinguished from the young healthy uterus interesting okay it’s coming up close to 7.30 so I just want to let people know that from any time on people are welcome to call in with questions related or unrelated to this month’s show so far as other hormones are concerned the whole hormone replacement therapy just give me your opinion of the HRT’s effects and why it was eventually taken out still not taken out in England there’s a big backlash against it 29:19 the industry succeeded so greatly in turning science completely upside down in the case of estrogen that that took a lot of other hormones with it progesterone was suppressed and ignored because it would cure the things that estrogen was claimed to cure and it couldn’t be patented as you said and prolactin had many toxic effects that were well recognized but since estrogen increases prolactin there was a great pressure not to think very much about what it means prolactin causes bone loss and contributes to osteoporosis but it wasn’t popular to think of the fact that estrogen increases prolactin and serotonin is another thing that has been strongly influenced by this inverted interpretation of estrogen 30:28 because estrogen increases exposure to serotonin serotonin is one of the means by which estrogen increases prolactin and serotonin does many of the harmful things that estrogen and prolactin do including a direct cause of bone loss people who take the fluoxetine type of antidepressants are seen to have a lot of premature bone loss because of the excess exposure to serotonin and the associated prolactin serotonin is in a way kind of a co-factor for estrogen estrogen increases prolactin or serotonin systemically and serotonin in turn increases the production of estrogen 31:34 so when one gets out of control they both tend to become dominant and serotonin is involved in the inflammation produced by estrogen well we’re all told that serotonin is the feel-good hormone give you SSRIs to me yeah they give you the antidepressant selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors so you can feel better and so this is just the same brainwashing they’re trying to do to us like they did with estrogen saying estrogen prevents bone loss when actually it causes bone loss so serotonin helps your depression and in fact has all these negative side effects of increased bone loss increased estrogen levels, increased risk, your risk of cancer one of the currently bad effects of serotonin excess that is getting some recognition even though in the 1950s all of the bad features of serotonin were recognized in a disease involving tumors in the intestine that produced too much serotonin 32:49 but in just the last two or three years the hypertension of the pulmonary artery is being seen to be caused by serotonin and the drugs that increase serotonin increase this pulmonary hypertension and degeneration of the valves in the right side of the heart this was known in the 1950s as the main deadly complication of having that serotonin producing tumor but finally 60 years later it’s being recognized as a way to treat pulmonary hypertension by using anti-serotonin drugs gosh, okay we do actually have a call on the line Dr. Peterson yes, I sometimes have a tendency toward depression and I like to do more natural things than I can and stay away from the heartache than I can 33:54 so I resisted trying to go after pros after any of that but I was told by some nature doctors to try 5HTP as a matter of fact I was told for another couple of people that I inquired that had depression and they said that this 5HTP was something natural that would help you use your own serotonin better and be more like kind of a natural prozac now are you telling me that that is not good for you, that that’s going to make you either make more, does it make you help you make more serotonin or utilize what you have better? the prozac type drugs keep the platelets and nerve cells from binding and keeping serotonin out of the way and so they lead to overexposure to the serotonin are you familiar with 5HTP? that’s what you do at the health food store, like an amino acid? plain tryptophan is bad enough but the 5-hydroxy tryptophan is one step closer to being serotonin 35:04 so you think that that’s not good for me to take? everything that I know suggests that for example there’s increased risk of breast cancer and obesity and many bad effects how could it increase obesity? by slowing metabolism and suppressing thyroid 5HTP does that? the antidepressants? well no I don’t mean my prozac, I’m just talking about 5HTP it hasn’t been studied as much as the antidepressants but it works to raise your serotonin it’s basically providing you the precursor and your body makes more serotonin out of it so the effects of serotonin in excess are going to be increasing estrogen which slows your liver’s metabolism that can slow your thyroid down, that can lead to obesity 36:06 by increasing estrogen it can promote cancer it says it elevates your mood you have to weigh it up, it might elevate your mood but you also risk these other things they used to give x-rays to help with psoriasis and rheumatoid arthritis oh whoopsie daisy, sorry you got cancer, my aunt had a lot of x-ray treatment for her acne on her back and she had a terrible form of breast cancer which turned into bone cancer and she died at the age of 50 well I certainly don’t want to slow my metabolism of my thyroid down or any of that I’ve done with the menopause thing so I figured my estrogen has balanced itself out and I’ve never taken the replacement it seems like he’s not talking about how it became so outrageously popular for women with menopause the little pink pills, the HRT woman replacement therapy that everybody was taking because they didn’t like having hot flashes and other things that would move swings and menopause symptoms 37:11 but my approach was that it was a natural occurrence so it didn’t really need to be medically changed this is till I had a symptom that needed, that was bad enough that I needed medical intervention maybe I was just lucky and I had mild symptoms although I did have a lot of hot flashes but it was only the last maybe four or five years that it’s been suggested that I take this 5-HTP as if it was by Congress I mean I don’t need to increase my serotonin if it’s going to slow down my thyroid and up my estrogen and be bad for my heart valve that’s right so that’s all the things that he said it did, right? yeah and it’s not, again because Dr. P has spent his life researching things and doing research on even the articles, is this faulty science? is this promoted by a drug company who did this research when he says that it’s not him saying that as though it’s his own opinion he’s adopted that opinion from researching the evidence 38:15 what causes it you know I just want to say again that I’m not talking about the Prozac or the Zoloft or the pharmaceutical serotonin drugs I’m specifically talking about 5-HTP which you get at the health food store where it seems like it’s this benign thing that can’t hurt you I know but it’s all part of the same system yeah sure Prozac might increase your serotonin to a much higher degree than taking 5-HTP but it’s all working on that same system and if a little bit is that the body naturally produces in the bowel because your bowel naturally produces serotonin if a little bit is stimulating inflammation and degeneration then you wouldn’t want to increase that even through natural means yeah so I should probably do without it and see if my patient is okay anyway it just, I was just up a lip, right? sounds like a good idea alright thank you thank you I think unfortunately what comes out time and time again is that the short term 39:18 is certainly not worth the price of the long term sequelae of disease processes and I think most people, I think that’s all included we only really see the short term unless we delve into the facts it’s just like with fish oils and people’s inflammation it can relieve inflammation to some degree but you also run the risk of suppressing your immune system and damaging your liver in the meantime so it’s a risk to raise it I think what gets poured out more and more is that the long term risks are certainly very evident, very prevalent and that people what we’re doing here with this show and other previous shows is just highlighting the long term risks and so unfortunately most people don’t understand the long term risks and only the short term gain is I think what fuels most people’s desires to be on certain drugs but there is a lot of long term risk associated with it and I think Dr. Pete’s doing an excellent job of bringing these facts out 40:20 because it’s already there in terms of science articles okay there’s two more callers on the line hello hi you’re on the air hi hi Dr. Pete this is wonderful I’ve talked to you before and I’ve gotten completely off of my serotonin reuptake inhibitors and I wanted to say that I read a bunch of articles on your site and I have to tell you that one effect of stopping taking these Prozac and serotonin things is that I’ve now been able to stop taking using steroids in an inhaler my asthma has gone away completely and I just wanted to make sure that I read your website right because I think you said there that it does relate serotonin does relate to asthma and nobody ever told me that but I’m completely off my inhaler and it’s only been a month so I just wanted to tell you that and ask a question about that 41:24 yeah it does several things related to asthma estrogen is related to asthma too and the effect of the serotonin is to cause localized contraction of the tubes in your lungs as well as causing them to take up water and promote some inflammation but the contraction is the thing that’s best studied in connection with asthma well thank you so much that’s really interesting because it went away within like four weeks I wasn’t having the breathing problems the first week or so I coughed up a lot of liquid but then after that it just quit thank you very much and I’m going to keep reading your website for articles 42:25 you coughed out the asthma I don’t know what I coughed out but I coughed up a lot of fluid for like a week but after that it just cleared up and I stopped using the inhaler and I’m not using it anymore and I’m just really grateful getting off the serotonin was painful but after I’m off of it now for almost two months I have to be very grateful so thank you for the information thank you for your call good but there we go that’s another glaring example of what we hear frequently so yeah if you want to listen to Dr. Pete the truth is out there if you open your ears okay there’s another caller hey hello I came in a little bit late to the discussion but I haven’t really heard mention of the three different types of estrogen in our bodies they have a hugely disparate impact on our bodies and I think that that’s really germane to this conversation so please inform us of that 43:27 there are probably a dozen important types of estrogen but almost all of them the three main types Estriol, Estrona and Estradiol those are the best known and have been used as drugs those all have pretty much the same effects but just at different potencies so that if you can turn your most potent Estradiol into the others you’re protected against some of the most toxic effects of estrogen during pregnancy these enzymes are detoxifying estrogen by many different routes but the index of a healthy pregnancy is when the Estriol is high because that means you’re destroying your Estradiol very quickly 44:30 so the Estradiol is the most dangerous form and that’s usually what I recommend women have tested to make sure their most dangerous form is not too high and these different forms are exactly the issue that Elwood Jensen denied happened he said Estradiol can’t turn into Estrona and Estriol but in fact that’s a major way of either activating or inactivating estrogen according to the cells energy system so the only reason you’d want high Estriol is because that would tell us that Estradiol is being detoxified not that high Estriol in itself is protective in any way shape or form it’s about 10 times weaker than estrogen so every little bit of Estradiol that you turn to Estriol it’s a down stepping of your estrogen effect so I’m not sure that’s the answer that lady was looking for 45:34 but there’s two more callers on the line so are you on the air? Hi, thank you so much for having me on this show it’s really interesting I had a question about modern birth control methods and your opinion of them in terms of how safe they are things such as the pill or the nuva ring and just in terms of I know that those still have levels of estrogen and do you recommend those as safe contraceptives or do you think that those are still dangerous to your health and I can take my question off the air, thank you The tremendously decreased the amount of estrogen in the contraceptives but if it’s strong enough to kill the embryo it’s strong enough to do some damage to the woman and about 30 years ago there was quite a bit of agitation among women’s groups 46:39 for FDA approval of the traditional cervical cap which the ideal thing was made by a metal worker or a dentist with a metal casting outfit they would use a dental mold making material to get an exact impression of the cervix and then they would cast silver or gold or some inactive metal in the shape of the cervix and it would form a vacuum seal which could be used, could be left in place weeks at a time and under the pressure from the women’s groups the FDA gave its approval to a rubber so-called cervical cap which was actually shaped more like a baby bottle’s nipple 47:41 with a huge projection chamber on the end which was supposed to be filled with spermacidal goo and that immense structural projection caused it to almost instantly be displaced and so they were terribly unsuccessful it was just like a way of inserting spermacidal cream or jelly but the FDA approved that but wouldn’t approve the one that actually worked because I think it was because they were simply working for the contraceptive pill industry and then as far as the IUD they now have IUDs that have hormone that secrete a small amount of hormone inside the uterine cavity so that would be the similar situation Yeah, the signal from inside the uterus 48:46 travels through nerves and other conduction up the fallopian tube to prevent the ovary from producing the amount of progesterone that it should so any kind of IUD with or without hormones will create a hormonal imbalance which is what is the main thing accounting for the prevention of pregnancy and then thereby increasing your estrogen and increasing risk of cancer Yeah So the one possible safe method of contraception would be the silver or the gold but they don’t make those but they don’t make them Is there anything else other than natural birth control? Rhythm or method? Fertility awareness method Not too much else, huh? Yeah, I think the rhythm cycle method is the best Yeah 49:48 Good, okay Another caller, I think there’s two more Yeah, the signal Hello, you’re on the air? The uterus travels through the nerves Collar, are you there? I think you have something playing in the background To prevent the ovary Well, I guess we don’t have another caller here so the lines are open so give us a call at 923-3911 and we’ll continue on with Dr. Pete Okay, that last call I guess is not there So Dr. Pete, going on to the other hormones We want to talk about melatonin We want to ask you Melatonin, what do you think of melatonin? Well, it has its own endocrine problems It can disturb your progesterone and thyroid production if you take a lot of it but its function seems to be as a way of detoxifying serotonin The trigger that turns the conversion in the pineal gland of melatonin 50:52 It’s the adrenergic stress-related nerves during the night Your stress increases from the lack of light and this adrenergic system causes the pineal to convert serotonin to melatonin and in general, in various places, melatonin is functioning as an antidote to serotonin So biologically, it’s evidence that you’re responding to stress with a detoxifying process and the enzymes that exist in the pineal that are activated by the stress can also be found in inflamed joint tissue and in breast cancer, for example Serotonin is involved in the pathology of both of those situations So if our enzymes could turn it more quickly 51:57 melatonin, then there would be less of a serotonin problem But when people actually take melatonin Sometimes it’s probably protecting against the circulating serotonin but in itself, in an otherwise healthy person For example, in the animal studies it was capable of lowering both progesterone and thyroid while increasing estrogen So in a short-term emergency situation it could be okay, but again, long-term it’s going to have negative side effects It depends probably on the person but it’s much safer than serotonin Alright, we do have two more callers so we’ll try to get through them if we can and see how we go Hi, you’re on the air? Yes Hi, you’re on the air? Hi Yeah, I take a vagin… It’s called vagifem suppository 53:00 and it’s for dryness but I just looked on the package and it says it’s estradiol So should I really worry about that? Because I did have a problem with pretty dry Okay Dr. Peel, what would you… People have been studying who were using vaginal creams, for example and their blood level of estrogen was even higher than some of the oral pills were causing So it’s definitely a systemic hormonal influence wherever you put it Right So obviously, if there’s any familial… even if there isn’t a familial history if there is a familial history of any estrogen, cancers So Dr. Peel, what would you recommend to this lady to use in place of her suppository? I’ve known several women who had pharmacists 54:03 make them up suppositories with a fairly high dose of vitamin A and a little vitamin E in cocoa butter other way of introducing it and the vitamin A helps to strengthen the membranes and normalize mucus production Okay Okay, good. That’s a pretty… And in the meantime, if you can’t find a pharmacist to make it Yeah, you can do that Vitamin A, palmitate and vitamin E, you can buy those capsules and try that Okay Sorry, well thank you very much You’re welcome. It certainly sounds a lot safer than… Yeah Yeah, what you were using Okay, good. There’s another caller on the line Hello Hi, Yornia Hi What do you think of the bioidentical hormones in low dose? Hmm Very suspicious, Dr. Peel It comes from wild yams and… Uh-huh 55:04 What depends which ones? Are they estrogen or are they progesterone? Well, there are the three estrogens but the estradiol is the lowest that, you know, they’re compounded by women’s international pharmacy but they’re from soy and yam, wild yams And there’s no progesterone in there? And progesterone also from vegetable sources as opposed to the synthetic or the animal estrogens that pharmaceutical companies use So Dr. Peel, what would you recommend to this lady? Well, what is the opinion of the bioidentical hormones? Well, all of the hormones that are bioidentical can have… they have to fit into the system in a balanced way 56:06 and it’s okay to have a physiological amount of any of these serotonin, estrogen, melatonin and so on but when you supplement estrogen or serotonin you’re most likely increasing something that’s already excessive the doctrine of replacement with the natural hormones is building on the history of the estrogen replacement with synthetic hormones and what they neglect is that as a woman ages from age 19 to 39, for example there’s a steady average increase in the amount of estrogen in her bloodstream as well as a fairly continuous amount of progesterone 57:07 which every cycle the estrogen is forced out of the cells all through the body by the rising large amount of progesterone and in the 40s progesterone production is no longer able to fully keep up with this steadily increasing estrogen production with ageing and as soon as estrogen…as soon as progesterone decreases and can no longer force estrogen out of the cells the blood estrogen level will drop but the estrogen inside the cells will increase publications by some…I think they’re Norwegians Batra and others and by Richard Blandau in University of Washington showed that the tissues of old organisms 58:10 retain much estrogen than the tissues of young animals and the fact that you don’t find it in the blood is simply because estrogen sticks inside the cells in proportion to the deficiency of progesterone So that was probably the reason why they recommended it is because of low blood levels and so Dr. Pete’s advice would be to not use it Okay, I’m being made aware that it is two minutes to eight o’clock and the show does wrap up at eight o’clock so thank you for all of those people that I’ve called in For anyone else who’s listening who wants to find out more about Dr. Raymond Pete who’s our special guest this month his website is very informative it’s www.repeat.com r-a-y-p-e-a-t dot com Thank you so much Dr. Pete for joining us this evening Okay, thank you And for those listening 59:12 we can be reached during normal business hours Monday through Friday and we have a number 1-888-WBM-ERB which is 1-888-926-4372 Okay, so until the same time next month 7-8 o’clock, thank you so much for listening and to those who have ears, let them hear Thank you And support for K-MUD comes in part from Golden Dragon medicinal syrup an anti-inflammatory, anti-fungal, anti-bacterial, anti-oxidant medicine made without heat or ice Golden Dragon medicinal syrup is organic, edible, topical, cosmetic and water soluble Information available at Golden Dragon medicinal syrup at gmail.com and by phone at 707-223-1569 We are K-MUD Garberville 91.1 FM, KMUE Eureka Arcade at 88.3 FM 01:00:15 KLAI Laytonville, 90.3 FM and FM translator K258BQ Shelter Cove, 99. 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