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00:00 Okay, Gener of Energy, number 85, and we have Ray Pete and Georgie Dinkov on the line. Ray, how are you? Very good. Thank you so much for doing this, really appreciate it, even with the time mishap, but thank you so much for bearing with us, and I hope you had time to drink your coffee, and yeah, thank you so much, appreciate it. Anyways, okay, so I’ve listened to the bits about protein that you’ve been talking about, and I thought maybe anchoring the show and that would be kind of the most interesting thing, and I’m not necessarily looking for you to tell everybody how much protein to eat, per se, but more like, I mean, as long as I’ve been following your work, you’ve been talking maybe referencing that 1999 military study, 80 to 100 grams of protein per person, and then occasionally if somebody would ask you, you’d say maybe even more would be better, and so I’m more interested in how you shifted your thinking on this, and so maybe laying that out for us would be interesting, and then I have more questions about it. Yeah, it really started in the 1970s. 01:05 I was volunteering for a free clinic in Eugene, and at that time, they were burning grass fields, producers of grass seeds for lawns, and everyone had respiratory disease because of the summer constant smoke, and I had found that stopping certain supplements had greatly reduced my allergies, and so I just suggested that since everyone was taking every consumable supplement with no benefit at all, I mentioned that to these allergy people at the clinic, and all of them got over their symptoms despite the field burn, burning, continuing, 02:07 and then they said, if that silly idea worked, what other ideas do you have, and I said, well, stop eating toxic junk like tofu and bean salad with lettuce and cucumbers, and various seeds, and indigestible material, all the stylish, hippy stuff, stop eating that and just try milk and cheese and eggs and meat and a more digestible diet, and so everyone did, and they said, oh, the wonders of a high-protein diet, 03:09 it wasn’t high-protein, it was just low junk food, basically, uncooked, indigestible materials, so it wasn’t intended as a specially higher, low-protein diet, but for years people were saying that the repeat diet, which I had never defined in terms of major nutrients, but that came to be called the repeat diet on whose considered high protein, but if you’re an active person in your 20s, you’re very likely to be burning four or 5,000 calories per day of whatever nutrients, 04:09 and so 100 grams of protein in a 5,000 calorie diet with lots of carbohydrate isn’t a bad ratio at all. So to you, maybe there hasn’t really been a change or a shift, and maybe that’s like a perception of people that are listening, because I mean, you don’t have to broadcast every single thing that you do every day, so maybe this isn’t really new to you. For many years now, I’ve been talking about amino restriction of essential amino acids. Cyanine restriction in animals increased their lifespan by 40%!,(MISSING) and you’ve got an additional percent for restricting cysteine and tryptophanes 05:11 and other essential amino acids, so it’s extremely life-extending to limit certain essential amino acids, and when you look at something Proto Barnes noticed about 50 years ago, I guess, he tried a high-protein diet, and for years he had been taking two cranes of armor cyrated every day, and on increasing the meat in his diet, he had to take four cranes of armor every day to maintain his functions. So those two things have been out there as items of interest, the cyidine restriction 06:12 and longevity, and the anti-cyride effect of generally higher protein, and the life-extending benefits of the immunosuppressive target of rapamycin inhibitors, the rapamycin type of antibiotic, and the presses are growth called mammalian rapamycin, so that explains a big part of the mechanism behind methionine restriction, longevity, and protein inhibition of energy 07:16 production in a safe way. So you’re saying blocking the mTOR pathway is life-extending? If it’s pathway. Well, the abbreviation that they typically use in studies is M-T-O-R, mammalian target of, yeah. Yeah, inhibiting that is good. Well, you know, some of the main arguments of the caloric restriction crowd is that, that’s precisely why they advocate people eating less, up to like 40 to 50%!l(MISSING)ess of the calories, because that’s what basically blocks the mTOR pathway and activates the PGC1 alpha, I guess. Is the opposite one? Well, it isn’t actually calories, it’s the anti-metabolic effect of those specific amino acids. I see. So maybe five or so years ago, you had written to somebody saying, you didn’t really feel right without like 120 grams of protein, so where, was that something personal 08:17 that you had experienced? Maybe you’re experimenting with a lower amount, given the situation you find yourself in and said to yourself that the methionine was maybe more thyroid-suppressive than you had originally thought? Around the age of 30, everyone’s mitochondria are being suppressed, so your metabolism is much slower after middle age, and that means that it’s much more susceptible to being suppressed by those unnecessary amino acids. So, but you’re saying, if you’re young, you could need normal 100 grams of protein or so, but in later age, you don’t need as much, you maybe need 50 or somewhere around there, is that right? Right, right, and the carbohydrate phase 09:21 go up as you metabolize carbohydrates, go up as you reduce your protein suppression. And then what? Suppression of metabolism. And then what about sick people or just generally people that don’t feel well? Should they reduce their protein intake or be conscious of it? Well, for example, having fruit juice when you’re sick, a very high carbohydrate diet is very protective. A lot of that is because the proteins, even though they’re anti-inflammatory for your digestive system, if they’re beyond that very low level, whatever 50 grams a day, maybe, 10:22 they’re going to slow your metabolism. Let me reframe this. Would this be a useful tool in the toolbox for a person to regain their health back is to try different amounts of protein, including the lower amounts? Oh, yeah, but especially different amounts of carbohydrate and different types. And you just reminded me to talk about the grape juice because I think that’s really bad. This just reminds me of the experiment the Russians did showing that you can survive and in fact thrive on a diet of nothing but potatoes and butter, considering that potatoes have all these keto acids and they’re basically the rest of it is carbs. Would you say that would be a decent kind of diet for an older person or a high-permeable person? Oh, yeah, everyone since Adele Davis, maybe before have commented on how well 11:23 so many old people do living on tea and toast, for example, or Jell-O and toast. That’s the real repeat diet. So what do you want you to limit the dangers of starch even in well-cooked potatoes? Because we don’t want that starch, right? Just for energy, if it’s well-cooked or with butter to prevent presorption. Okay, so the butter is the main, like other saturated fats are basically the main protective factor when eating starch? Yeah, combined thorough cooking with a little butter to assure it’s breakdown. Ray, for yourself, how did you arrive at the 50 grams? Like what was that calculation? How did that happen? Oh, just it’s hard to eat less. 12:26 But, oh, sorry, go on. Even with the juices, as you reach a gallon of orange juice, your protein is going up considerably. And that’s fairly difficult to do, you know? You probably have to modulate your milk intake and meat and things like that to like it, go ahead. Yeah, yeah, even though calcium and milk helps to keep your thyroid function going, you have to, at first, somewhat limit your milk and cheese and egg intake. And even well-cooked vegetables, you can choose some that have a little lower risk of cyanine content. 13:28 And then was the grape juice like kind of useful for this kind of new experiment? I don’t know how new it is, but the things you’re doing now because to maybe offset with the huge amount of carbohydrate you would need to increase it? I, yeah, it does have a huge amount of carbohydrate. You have to be careful because it can osmotically upset your digestion. The grape juice? Yeah, I can only tolerate two or three ounces at a time. Oh, interesting. And so I guess you’re just, like, how many carbohydrates are, again, I’m not saying this so everybody should do it. I’m just curious of what you’re doing. You’re maybe eating well over 500 grams or so? Oh, just about in that range, five or 600, I think. From just mainly from orange juice? Oh, no, a lot of very well-cooked vegetables 14:34 just for taste variety. I just can’t gag down that much. Grape juice and orange juice. And then I promise we’ll move on. But how has this changed your liver consumption and your egg consumption? Like, do you eat less liver each week? I’ve very, very much less. Like one or two ounces? Currently, it’s hard to get good organic livers such as chicken liver. And so whenever that’s available, we’ll have some chicken livers with bacon. But that might be only once in two months. Oh, well. But maybe if the butcher in Oregon had liver, would your preference be to, ruminant liver, would your preference be for that? It’s just not available, given all the crazy things that are happening? 15:38 The little chicken livers with bacon are very pleasant. Fair enough. That’s a good answer. I think that settles it. But why would the change in dietary, in the macro ratios, change the intake of liver for you as well? You feel like you need less? Or do you? You don’t feel like you need less. Okay. But liver is a huge source of methionine, right? Yeah, yeah. And really early on, probably 10 years ago, I think I ate eight ounces of liver and I felt real cold afterwards. And then the next day felt especially hypothyroid. So it might be just good for posterity. What, the methionine, like what is the specific mechanism that it’s suppressing the thyroid function? Or is it doing lots of different things? A lot of things. I don’t know what most important mechanism is. 16:41 Fair enough. And we can move on in, Georgey interrupt me at any time here. Something I’ve noticed, maybe you had mentioned it a long time ago, that people with like a physically larger brain might notice symptoms really quickly. Like they have really high energy requirements. And if those requirements weren’t met, they would notice it and like kind of nuanced symptoms about their health. And you know that idea, I keep thinking about it because the people I talk to are all really interesting. They’re all interesting people with interesting ideas with different backgrounds. And I would bet that they’re very, I mean, I know they’re intelligent. And so, but some of the smartest people will notice like the tiniest little defects in their body. And so I was wondering if you could just speak about brain metabolism and then noticing symptoms. Yeah, the brain requires, in an absolute sense, a steady supply of glycogen and glucose. 17:41 And so just excited thinking can consume really large amounts of sugar. And checking your blood pressure. It’s called the blood pressure. It’s called the pulse pressure or the difference between systolic and diastolic pressures. If everything is running smoothly with enough blood sugar, you’ll have a systolic that’s at least 50 points, about 50 points higher than diastolic, very often lower. But if you’re having a problem with your glucose, 18:46 you’re gonna have increased difference with maybe 75 points higher systolic than diastolic. And if you get in that condition from excitation or whatever cause anything that depletes your systemic glycogen, then by checking your pulse pressure frequently and increasing your glucose and starch intake considerably, every few hours checking it and having more glucose, you can tell when you have replenished the glycogen stores because suddenly your difference between systolic and diastolic will come down 19:49 to 40 or 45 points difference. Wow, that’s useful to know. And then in the same kind of line of questioning, would you expect somebody that had a real low rate of metabolism and maybe had, I mean, we all have imperfect development, but somebody with like a physically smaller brain or something that had three vaccines and just taking finasteride and stuff and says they don’t notice the difference, but like maybe somebody that’s running at a really low level would not notice these like toxic insults that are happening at every moment of the day to them. Could that equally be true? I think it is. Yeah. And then- People that take SRI drugs are basically very prone to not only self-harm, but also like getting wounds that they sometimes they sit there and fester because they ignore them, they never felt the pain and they couldn’t disinfect them. So people with high serotonin, they tend to, I think they tend to experience higher emotional pain, but they’re numbed at the extremities. 20:51 And I’ve noticed several people around me that are taking these drugs. They often have these wounds and scrapes of them that look pretty ghastly and they only noticed them when I point them out. They claimed it didn’t hurt when they actually happened. Yeah, that sort of thing. Eventually, it was corrected by keeping your thyroid chronically a lot higher. And then keeping in line with the things I’m learning for the people I talk to, I’m probably talking to like four people right now that can take 200 milligrams of progesty and it has no effect whatsoever, but they all seem to uniformly benefit from antibiotics, like specifically the tetracycline or the macrolites. And so, but they don’t necessarily have digestive problems per se. And so, clearly they’re, or maybe they’re benefiting from the anti-bugs, anti-inflammatory effect. And then again, I know this is kind of redundant 21:52 because you’ve talked about this a lot, but what do you think is a good approach or strategies for somebody that might have a nitric oxide problem? You know, if that’s what’s going on and their liver is not maybe responding to the huge amount of progesterone, would a small amount of T3 be useful, like a one or two micrograms per hour? I think so, and it all works, everything that you have to regulate with nervous system, hormones, digestive enzyme balance and so on, all of those are involved so that your cholinergic nervous system activity and your adrenergic system are activated in different ways. The helplessness, cholinergic reflexes 23:03 interfere with everything good. So that you make more nitric oxide, for example, and slow things down and cause inflammatory damage. Is there something I’m not thinking of that would be useful for that situation? Like, oh, I have an experience with this person writing me that they overcame that situation with XYZ, or is it like a, go ahead. Looking at the whole picture and seeing what you’re in most desperate need of. What about the tool in the toolbox of reducing protein? Would that be especially useful for somebody maybe with like a, like, do you think what I’m describing is liver disease, like a person not responding to the progesterone? Yeah, and that can be quickly repaired by getting the glycogen up. 24:06 The liver turns off just like the brain if it hasn’t stored enough glycogen. And that is a matter of two or three days often. So for liver disease, glycogen should be the top priority and glycogenesis can’t happen without T3 and progesterone and enough carbohydrate, yeah? Yeah, yeah. So since you mentioned the cholinergic system, do you think that’s the main risk of people using nicotine besides its many beneficial effects? The problem is that it is the direct activator of the acetylcholine receptors. Problem was using which? Well, I mean, several people have asked you about using nicotine from tobacco. Oh, yeah. Or just as a chewing gum or actually as a tincture or just as an isolated substance. And you’ve said several times that it may be beneficial. It’s got a number of beneficial effects, 25:06 but you’re wary of it and you don’t recommend long-term use. And do you think that the fact that nicotine is actually a direct ligand for that system, an activator of the cholinergic system, do you think that’s the main risk associated with it? I think that’s likely. It’s part of your cholinergic system. And you can’t be sure how the nicotine is going to fit into the anti-inflammatory system. It has that potential, but it can do the opposite to turn on cancer metabolism. Okay. Why do you think that tobacco consumption is so widespread among indigenous cultures? Especially the ones that are in the Americas. 26:09 How does it stimulate in value psychologically can tone things up and make you function? Okay. So it’s mostly as a stimulant, as widely available stimulant for… Yeah, I think. Okay. Just going back to the glycogen for a second. Does methion, like two things I know you’ve mentioned that can deplete the liver of its glycogen, the estrogen and maybe the serotonin and maybe they’re working on the same mechanism. Does the methionine, how does that relate to the estrogen and the serotonin? Does that tend to increase them? Yeah. It has a demobilizing function and the methyl groups are in a constant bowel. There’s been too much emphasis on people 27:12 who don’t have enough methyl groups and not enough on the danger of an excess methyl pressure. So in addition to the methionine and the insulinogenic effects of the protein, that could be a slippery slope for a person with an underfunctioning liver. Okay, just a few more and then we can talk about cultural things. And Ray, I’m not gonna keep you too long. And so the other thing that’s completely unrelated, Ray, lidocaine as a topical for hair loss, what do you think about that? It’s generally cell protective I don’t know anyone who has tried it, but since it works for all kinds of very serious conditions, even helping with cancer and brain injury, 28:19 it’s almost always a good thing to try. Oh, sorry, go ahead. Prevents energy waste and so it’s working at a simple level of available energy that makes everything better. And then I have at least one paper in regards to so-called pattern baldness, and they say investigation should be done on mast cell inhibitors for pattern baldness. And so obviously the lidocaine would help with that, right? And the whole world wants me to ask you about the massage thing. And so what everybody is asking, what is he specifically talking about? Like what type of massage? So in my point of view, the massage ideas that we’re going around were like don’t stop until your head is inflamed in red and has like obvious inflammation in it. 29:20 So what type of massage were you thinking about that you thought could increase hair growth? Oh, just a very gentle massage such as gently rubbing oil into it, you don’t want to cause inflammation. And that the mechanism there might be, obviously it feels good, but maybe increasing the blood flow to the area that is a problem with the hair loss. Yeah, feeling good is the good way to increase blood flow. If you increase blood flow by irritation, that’s because you’re doing damage that causes lactic acid production and blocking good energy production. 30:24 So that there are very soft, stimulating, pleasure-giving massage is the opposite of a rough, irritating massage. Thanks for that. And last question for me, and then we can move on. And maybe you can concur, but the most common thing with thyroid dosing with Sinoplus and Sinomel is overdosing. Maybe once a week, somebody tells me I started with a tablet of Sinoplus and a tablet of Sinomel, just like as a starting dose. And so I have a few questions for you about this. So one, we’ve talked many, many times about maybe 10 micrograms at T3 being kind of a limit for dosing thyroid, or maybe even an arbitrary limit, and using that with a meal. When you take 15 or 20, maybe you had said previously that the liver creates enzymes to destroy it really quickly. 31:26 Maybe you can just expand on that a bit. Yeah, so after a couple of weeks of doing that, you are after maybe 10 or 12 hours after that overdose, you have plunged to a hypothyroid state, and if you’re dosing it only once or twice a day, those ups and downs become really extreme and can do things like stopping your heart rate when your thyroid dips sharply. And then just because we’ve been talking about so much, for a person with liver disease, in your experience and from what you’ve read, do they tend to do better on smaller doses of T3 or bigger doses? Like what? Oh, smaller. I think no one should supplement thyroid until they’ve read at least one of Broder Barn’s books. 32:29 Maybe the, it’s not your mind, it’s your liver, the hope for hypoglycemia. Yeah. They just started reprinting that, as I know. And shoot, I had another question about the T3. Oh, do you think it’s a good idea to, like I’ve seen the overdosing stuff so often that I started recommending people by $20 milligram scales and as annoying as that is, I’m just worried about people taking too much. And so if they measure a tablet of Sinomel, which is usually about 100 milligrams, and then they do that cross-reference math, and then they find the microgram dosage, do you think that’s a good way to do it or is that too, is that crazy? I’m not sure whether they’re actually going to be getting right up on the T3, if it’s well-distributed in the tablet. 33:34 I think powdering a Sinomel tablet and figuring that you’re taking two or three micrograms at a time, you’re in the least danger of having a suppression. So that’s good to know. So I did not know that. So you think there could be like a huge amount of T3 on one side of the pill and not enough on the other side? It’s just conceivable. Very interesting, I appreciate you pointing that out. And then once it’s powdered, if a person wants to go for accuracy, they could measure it? Yeah, but I would tend to go by the label, if it’s Sinomel or Sinomel I think you can count on the amount per tablet being accurate, 34:41 but none of the generics I’ve tried has been reliably the potency that they claim. But once you’ve powdered a Sinomel tablet, like how would you, if somebody was in a precarious situation and they’re like, okay, I’m going to try two micrograms, like how do you even go about doing that? You’d have to have a scale, right? Just by your visual judgment, you powder a 25 microgram tablet and divide it into 10 apparently equal pieces. Oh, fair enough. But do you think, I know you’re maybe resistant to recommending like a super complex type of thing, but like, do you think that’s a, if a person wanted to go for like very accurate doses, do you think that’s a bad idea to do the scale? Is that like, would that not be as accurate as the person thinks it is? It’s misleading because your body isn’t that accurate. 35:50 The body responds very differently every time. There’s no scale equivalent in the body. It’s always a new experience for the body. But what you’re saying is it’s basically impossible to get like an accurate dose of thyroid and you just have to go off feeling, which I can accept by the feeling, right? Temperature, pulse rate and feeling. Okay, fair enough. Okay, I guess we’ll let you go really soon here, right? But I just wanted to catch up on the cultural stuff. So maybe, I don’t know, three, four months ago, we asked you, are things still going to plan? And I just wanted to get your update about that. Do you still think things are going to plan? Not our plan, the oligarch’s insane psycho plan. Which things? Like the things you’re seeing right now with the war 36:51 and kind of the rallying about monkeypox and everything that’s happening. And then the Fed starting to talk about the digital dollar and servers being online in February 2023. Do you, I guess there’s sometimes a person will say, hey, I think their plan is failing. So do you think that, is that your orientation that things are not going well for them? Yeah, everything they’re doing is becoming stupid. And obvious, but they have rigged it so that stupid and obvious aren’t impediments to going ahead. The banks say that there is simply no alternative to digital money and they’re just going ahead with it. According to plan, it takes time to write all of the programs 37:57 to manage all of the money in the world on a mass stereotyped manner so that no one has actual money but everyone is on a retainer, a certain allowed amount of money as soon as they can write the programs to administer that, they’re intending it to come out in something like two or three years just to get the bank machinery set up to do it. But even though everyone who thinks about it realizes it’s absolutely evil, deadly, 38:59 going to ruin the whole ecosphere, they have created essentially a mass of money that’s dementia, an epidemic of dementia in which people can even begin to think about how to get out of that deadly fate. So, no more direct question. As you now see, I mean, I’m sure you’ve seen, Russia and China basically have solidified their union. Russia has said, we’re done with the West, it’s over. They’re about to start their own currency. The BRICS, the Brazil, Russia, India and China, the organization and now they’ve added more to that organization is also about to launch kind of its own currency backed by commodities. 40:00 What do you, I mean, what do you think is gonna happen over the next six to 12 months in the West without food and potentially without raw materials for energy in Europe and maybe even in the United States? Are we looking at a, I don’t know, mass famine event here in the States in the next six to 12 months? Yeah, the production of grade by Ukraine and Russia is still there so that the worst of starvation in the Southern world can be alleviated, but everything is going to be under maximum tension. And the only thing that is keeping away a sort of terminal starvation condition is the success of the Russian economy. 41:03 Chinese Third World Axis. They are on the threshold of a successful world economy. And the main danger of that is that the West can’t see any non-demanded solution. So they’re increasingly likely to resort to nuclear weapons. So we’re basically looking at World War III because the West is now out of options. I just don’t see what does the West have remaining? Obviously they’re gonna try to go full fascism first just to keep the population under control, but still that doesn’t resolve the immediate situation which is the economy of the West is done. There’s no, literally almost no productive activity left here. So do you think that, I mean, basically that now with the Federal Reserve raising interest rates 42:05 and the economy formally, not that it was much of it remaining before, but even now the fake money is going to disappear or at least significantly be curtailed because of the higher interest rate, do you foresee things getting rougher over the next six, 12 months? Or do you think there’s some kind of an opportunity for improvement? No, I think the West is just committed to everything getting worse. Wow, okay. Ray, you echoed, I’m kicking myself because I can’t remember this reporter’s name, but he’s in the Ukraine and he basically said that the Ukraine is getting slaughtered by Russia right now. Then he thought the US would then send in troops, they would also get slaughtered. And then the only thing that US could do is, because they never apparently said they would not do a first strike, that they would use nuclear weapons. Do you think that is like a plausible scenario? Yes, the state of dementia that they have created 43:11 for themselves leads almost inexorably to that. Was that Gonzalo? Yes, yes. Leroy? Yeah, yeah. He’s funny. Yeah, I mean, he’s… Does your animal instinct, the first signal system, does it tell you right now that the West is done? Yeah, I never hear Leroy say anything wrong. He is extremely compelling and him being close to the action is also pretty useful. He had another one saying that, we’ve talked about this on the podcast before, but the Americans have such a strong normalcy bias that they can’t see what’s coming, like right around the corner. And I feel like I experienced that day, like every day, like I feel like this is like wartime, but I don’t think I’m not saying people should have my crazy attitude or whatever, 44:11 but people seem like they’re kind of complacent or think because we’re in a reprieve from this crazy, like masks are disappearing and stuff, that things are going to get better. But I mean, if he’s right, things are just gonna get significantly worse fast, like really quickly within the next six months or so. Yeah. But that’s approximately the schedule that I think is inevitable. Have you bought any canned food that can last you a few months? No, the cans are a nuisance. Getting a, oh, we have a barrel of coconut oil and some powdered milk and a lot of beans. Well, the sugar, right? 45:11 And George said, and sugar, right? And sugar. And all the sugar, basically white sugar. And the low protein stuff is actually pretty useful entering into a dystopian future. Exactly, right on time. Also, less eggs and, oh, we didn’t really talk about that, but what, has your egg consumption also decreased? Yeah, the good thing about the carbide foods is that they’re cheap, will continue to be quickly produced and are easy to preserve. So if you just avoided the methionine, the Pufa, the iron, all the food additives, even walking into a dystopian future, you could probably feel relatively okay. Possibly. Yeah. 46:13 Okay. I’ve talked to, I mean, cause I always try to see the arguments of the other side. So over the years, ever since this whole thing, the craziness with the pandemic started, I tried to talk to some moderates and some people really, the other extreme. And over the last two years, everybody that was moderate, that was willing to consider that maybe, there were some nefariousness, but they’re trying to kind of like, buy their time and see how things go. Every single one of these people has been so-called red-billed, have moved towards the side that says, wow, things are really bad. And then the people who used to be simply optimistic now have become extreme to the point that they don’t even wanna be bothered. And whenever you bring stuff up about like potential world war or anything like that, they just refuse to listen, which to me saying that we are living in very extreme times. One last thing about the nuclear war, there’s nothing to do about that. Like if they, I mean, if they use nukes, like there’s no amount of, I mean, have you made any preparations whatsoever if that happens? 47:16 Just to drive south as quickly as possible. Or towards the middle of the country where they probably wouldn’t waste the nukon? Yeah, but the clouds will concentrate over the northern hemisphere. So the farther south you go, the quicker, the less likely you are to be quickly killed. Would you have the closer to the equator, the better? Yeah. In Mexico, would you have to go to like Chiapas or would Mitoacan be the best place to be for that? Yeah, I think for the present, Mitoacan is good, high altitude, moderate rainfall. What would be some remedies potential for low level radiation exposure? Obviously, if it doesn’t kill immediately or cause cancer over the next year, what could be some things that could decrease the long-term damage? 48:19 Using a fossil, if you have a greenhouse, heating it with fossil fuels so that you avoid such things as strontium, fallout and get stable calcium. And avoid the frequent things that are very quick to absorb radiation. Avoid vegetables that are growing right after the fallout. But that would include also animal food, right? Cause the radiation will concentrate in their bones and brain and the fat tissue. Yeah, and so old food is used in old stores 49:28 of dehydrated or canned foods. They’re the first to use. Okay. One of the common retorts, if I’m talking about Mexico with somebody, is that they don’t wanna go cause the cartels here. You know what, in a dystopian future with a nuclear radiation C, what do you see the cartels function as when things get really bad? Do you think they would take over Mexico and it would be really bad? Or would you prefer that over some kind of digitized prison in the US? Like you have to pick your poison or what do you think about that? Oh, the cartels are just effectively capital. So there’s not gonna be anything particularly bad about what they do. I think they only exist because there’s a huge market up north, right? And they’re controlled by the CIA. If these things disappear, the cartels will have to find another job 50:29 which probably involves working the land and doing something productive. Yeah, they’ve turned to things like avocados instead of drugs. You don’t think it would turn into kind of organized mafia type of thing? Just like crying? I mean, that will probably just happen everywhere if things get really bad. Yeah. Okay, let’s do the advertisement real fast. The newsletter is available by email now. It’s $36 for 12 issues, which can be paid through Ray Pete’s with an S newsletter at gmail.com. You can also order Ray’s books from PMS to menopause, progesterone and ortho molecular medicine, gender of energy, mind and tissue, and nutrition for women by emailing that same address. And then also a progest E from Keenogen. You can email Catherine to purchase Keenogen at gmail.com. Each bottle of progest E is 3,400 milligrams of progesterone. And Ray, do you have any recent progesterone stories from people saying that it did this or that? 51:32 No, nothing special I’ve heard. I usually have one in the can, but I can’t think of anything. Georgie, do you have one? Yes, I do. I have a person who lives in Europe who’s been emailing me and basically, they got diagnosed with what the doctors thought were benign tumors in the liver. And then they did a biopsy and turned out one of the nodules was actually malignant. And then this person really freaked out. So I think he bought Ray’s progesterone or had it from before. And basically took the equivalent of about a teaspoon daily, I think for two weeks. And then they went back and then basically, the malignant nodule had completely disappeared. And then of the four remaining nodules, they were basically, they were proven benign. Three had also disappeared and the last one had shrunk to the size of a pink head. And after another two weeks, that one was gone as well. 52:33 Amazing. Hey, Georgie, Ray, thank you so much for doing this. Ray, stay on the line and we’ll close the show. We have an amazing listenership. Thank you guys so much. We only had Ray for an hour today, so we’re not gonna exceed that. Thank you guys so much for bearing with us and have a great weekend. We’ll talk to you guys soon. Okay, bye everyone. Okay, bye.

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