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00:00 Hello? Dr. Pete, there you are. Yes, hi. Hi, good morning. How are things with you, sir? Pretty good. Pretty good, pretty good. What’d you have for breakfast? Oh, just coffee and milk. Coffee and milk. Coffee and milk. It’s so funny. There’s so many people out there, Dr. Pete, that tell you why you just shouldn’t drink milk. I mean, milk, we’re the only mammals in the world that don’t drink milk after weaning, and it’s just going to kill you and all of that, and it hasn’t killed you. Nope. It’s actually one of the cleanest foods available because of the cow filtering it through many layers. Chemically, the rumen processes the toxins out of the plant material. When you eat the same leaves that a cow eats, you absorb many allergens 01:01 and toxic materials that the plant puts into its leaves, defensively intended to kill bugs or anyone who would damage them, eating holes in their leaves and such, and so really there are chemical pesticides naturally in plant material. Seeds are the most precious to the plant. Their whole generation depends on the seeds being viable and not being eaten by microorganisms or large organisms, so they have the most intense toxins and blockers of the digestive system. When you look at the chemicals in seeds, it turns out that they block the digestive enzymes of mammals 02:05 and insects, but they don’t affect that same type of enzyme in plants, so it’s obvious that they’re directed towards defense against being eaten. Unless you have very sophisticated lab equipment, you just can’t separate the good stuff from the toxins, but the cow’s rumen is such that the microorganisms do the chemistry of eliminating the bad stuff, increasing the good stuff. At the local store, they have a few choices of organic milk, and if I didn’t want to get one of those big huge things, because I don’t drink a lot of it, but I wanted to try a little, and I just got some half and half organic, and boy, that’s pretty fun to drink. You know, get a lot of good fat in there. I use cream or half and half in my coffee. 03:13 What’s with this A2 for cows, and is there anything for that if you get a Jersey A2 cow that’s easier to digest and talk about the difference between goat milk and cow milk? Oh, there’s a big difference between the milk of all species, but they still have in common the rumen milk. Camels, goats, sheep, cows, yamas, that type of animal produces the safest milk. The reason people don’t drink pig milk or bear milk or such is that they don’t have rumens, and so all the plant toxins go into their milk. They don’t have rumens, and to explain what rumens are exactly? It’s an extra stomach that the vegetable material goes in and soaks with the body temperature favors the growth of microorganisms, which ferment and degrade 04:24 the plant material, basically digesting it with protozoa, fungi, bacteria. All of the major types of microorganisms get a chance to break down the plant material. Then that broken down material goes through the regular digestive system analogous to what we have people in bears and pigs don’t have that extra stomach, and so whatever they eat pretty much goes with minimal filtering into the bloodstream. Dr. Ray Peters with us, he’s a PhD in biology, University of Oregon, specialized in physiology. He’s taught in schools. He’s taught in University of Oregon, Urbana College, Montana State University, National College of Naturopathic Medicine, 05:26 University of Aracuzanza, down in Mexico. He’s done some work in Mexico. He started his work with the progesterone and related hormones in 1968, so he goes back. If you’d like to be on the show, email wise, patrick at oneradionetwork.com. Our 800th thing is not functioning today because of long story, but we’re working on that to get that fixed. So just use email this morning, patrick at oneradionetwork.com. You mentioned the pigs, and I often thought about how they do these various testing on animals, I guess rats, I guess that they use mice for doing all these different testing. Dr. Peters, is that viable to do something on a mouse or rat and say, well, then that’s the way it is for humans, too? One great difference between mice and rats is that they are mainly nocturnal animals. If the experimenter is working in the lab in the daytime 06:28 and they keep the rat or mouse awake to do their experiments, they’re creating intense stress in the animal. So the experimenter to do something analogous to what happens in a human has to stay up all night to work with the nocturnal animals, and they don’t do that. So automatically, you have to question what time of day they were doing their experiments. Very often, if someone is selling a product, they’ll try out very different animals so they can get the kind of results they want. Around in the 1960s and early 70s, the estrogen industry was testing their products on dogs, and they found that estrogen would damage the dog’s bones by using 07:35 a species that lives oppositely in the nighttime rather than daytime. They found that estrogen would strengthen the bones of mice and rats. But it happens that cortisol, which weakens dogs and humans’ bones, cortisol stimulates the growth of bones in these nocturnal animals. So what they’re doing is choosing the animal that is specific to get the kind of results they want. And I’ve often thought of the idea with the mice and the rat, these little guys are probably surrounded by a huge amount of electromagnetic fields with who knows what kind of lights, right? All these weird lights that are not good for you, and then who knows what they’re feeding them to? So that would, to me, would put a fly in the ointment of results and how accurate they are. Yeah, and they commonly use a very standardized 08:39 controlled diet, but there are prejudices built into what they call the standard diet. Often they’ll put in six percent of so-called essential fatty acid, which isn’t all essential when someone experiments, leaving out those essential fatty acids. They get super rats, they’re super mice, very resistant to poisons, trauma, shock, venoms, aging diseases, very resistant to diabetes. All kinds of biological damage is less in the animals that are deficient in the so-called essential fatty acids. But since they build those fats into the diet, then when they compare an experimental diet to the standard diet, they’re already 09:47 biasing the experiment. They’re making sick animals as their reference, and then if they’re less sick when they change the diet, they say that. That means their recommended additive is beneficial. I wonder who came up with the term essential fatty acids? That was Burr, I forgot his first name, he and his wife in around the late 1920s and early 1930s, got the idea that maybe fats were like a vitamin, even though two or three research groups at big universities had demonstrated that you could have a totally fat-free diet and the animals actually lived longer. I think Osborne was the name of one of the research groups, 10:50 but the Burr’s got this idea and created a fat-free diet, but at that time the B vitamins, most of the B vitamins hadn’t been discovered, and they were feeding a diet deficient in the unsaturated fats, but also deficient in several of the B vitamins. And they said they had created a deficiency disease in which the animals got sore tails areas of their face around their mouth, got rashy and cracked. They said this is the fatty acid deficiency symptom, but 15 years later, Texas Research Institute, one of the universities there, demonstrated they discovered vitamin B6 and some of the other B vitamins, 11:55 and they created the Burr essential fatty acid deficient animals and then gave them only vitamin B6 in addition, no fat, and cured the deficiency symptom. So they in 1945 or six proved that there was no essential fatty acid, but meanwhile the petroleum industry was working on how to make plastics and paint, that the synthetic plastics were being engineered at the same time, and the seed oils like linseed oil had been the bulk of plastics and paints up until that time, but petroleum chemistry replaced the seed oils. So there was no longer a paint and plastics market for linseed 12:59 oil and cotton seed oil and so on, so they had to figure out some way to dispose of their product. The crop was being grown, but no one needed it for paint, so they decided to sell it to the public as a food. The same thing happened in the 60s and 70s with fish oil. Fish oil had been primarily used as varnish or fuel, lamp fuel, but it made a good varnish because it hardens on exposure to oxygen the way linseed oil does. But the fish processing factories were throwing away the skin and the fatty parts when they were canning salmon or other fish, and they were causing horrible pollution of the bay areas and land areas adjacent to the factories. The EPA told them they had to 14:05 figure out something to do with their waste material to reduce the pollution, and fish oil is a health food among the markets. Let’s just give it to the people, don’t we? Yeah, I’ve suggested that that might be the way to dispose of used tires. Yeah, that’s right. Makes some kind of food out of it. But I’ve often kind of conjectured that what was in fish oil though used early on like 1800s and 1900s too? Isn’t there some some records of that? Oh yeah, it was for hundreds of years it was known made a good varnish and whale oil was a liquid that was good for a lamp oil. It was a major fuel oil for a couple of hundred years. But I’ve often heard that parents gave your kids cod liver oil like 1900 and stuff around there. 15:10 Oh yeah, yeah, I got some when I was a kid. Okay, so it wasn’t that it wasn’t consumed internally, you’re saying in the 60s, so when it really busted out, right, when it really, yeah, market. That was only the liver oil, and it’s very different from the regular fish oil. Fish oil has what they’re selling now isn’t from the liver, and so it has practically no vitamin value, very very small contamination with vitamin D and vitamin A, but not enough to be therapeutic like the liver oil. So cod liver oil is different from fish oil? Oh tremendously different, yeah. Is cod liver oil then healthy? If you don’t have other sources of vitamin A and vitamin D, if you live in Norway, for example, that’s where it got started. The winters are so dark, people find that they benefited, and if they didn’t like the taste of the fish liver, 16:17 they could maybe stand the taste of the liver oil. I see, but we can get plenty of A in our food and D in the sun, right? Yeah, eggs are a good source of vitamin A, and getting sunlight is the best way to get your D. So you see no reason to do even cod liver oil for it? No, only in certain areas, yeah, in certain areas. Ray Pete is with us, and Patrick Tempone, a OneRadioNetwork.com, good to have you here. Please stick around, we have some good emails coming in for Dr. Pete. If you have one, Patrick at OneRadioNetwork.com. Dr. Richard Ulry, authority on minerals, talks about gut bacteria, making the vitamins, and absorbing the minerals. How it all works. We need vitamins from our gut bacteria so we can absorb minerals, and then minerals provide a resonant frequency, and those minerals carry these frequencies into the body, and multiple 17:22 minerals will give you a frequency that allows all of our proteins to have individual distinct frequencies, giving that three-dimensional structure. This is where Wayne’s products, Living Stream, and that’s the only primary products I carry. When you do a stool test, and it says you don’t have any bifyl bacteria, well, if you don’t have any bifyl bacteria, you’re not going to absorb certain minerals. If you don’t have any lactobacillus, you’re not going to absorb certain minerals. Here’s an idea of a couple of the Living Streams you can take for what we’re talking about here. The Bifidol, Living Streams Multi-Blend, and the Living Minerals. So again, the minerals, the Bifidol, and the lactobacillus. And these special probiotics and minerals are all in human DNA form, and they are living alive. In our store on OneRadioNetwork.com. These are creation of Wayne Blakely. Wayne has literally moved to Missouri, and he’s working with a huge piggy manufacturer, 18:26 speaking of pigs with Dr. Pete, and because he believes that with these probiotics properly given to the pigs, he can stop all of this weird virus bacteria. I don’t know what they’re calling it. They’ve got all kinds of names for it around the world with the pigs. China has huge issues, and the pigs are just getting really sick, and the babies are coming out, and they’re being born dead. So he really thinks that with the right terrain in the pigs, that he can help these people and not lose all these pigs. So it’s a big deal, and it’s going to be a big experiment, and we’re going to keep tabs on them. But he’s a very smart guy making these products, and I think you’ll enjoy trying some. They’re in our store on OneRadioNetwork.com. 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You can put in your probes and other minerals right in there and then structure them all up there and then give this to your dogs and cats too, the same water. It just makes them more available and they’ll get the dehydrated. You can see the scalar energy device, golden pyramid, right on the front page of our 21:48 website. We’re talking with Dr. Ray Peat on OneRadioNetwork.com. It’s Dr. Ray Peat. It’s RayPeat.com. He’s got a place there you can sign up for his newsletter. It’s a very affordable thing. Oh, how much is your newsletter again? It’s $28 by email. $28 for a year, right? Yeah. Cool. Cool. No, it’s 12 issues, but it’s two years. Oh, 12 issues for 28 bucks. Wow. That’s a good thing. Cool. Good job with that one. If Patrick at OneRadioNetwork.com talking about water, so what’s your take on water? I don’t know if we’ve ever talked to you about water. And of course, we have the Batman-Galic idea of one-half ounce of body weight for every pound. And I’ll talk a little bit about what your research shows and the hydration and keeping enough water in there. Salt is one of the important factors in keeping us hydrated. 22:54 In the 50s, the drug companies came out with diuretic pills, new chemicals, to make you lose water. And they sold them to pregnant women to prevent water retention. And it turns out that that’s a very bad idea because during pregnancy, you have to retain water in your bloodstream, expand your blood volume tremendously so it can take care of the growing fetus as well as some other circulation. Whole new systems of blood vessels have to be supported, so you need more blood volume. And to do that, what retains the blood, the water in the bloodstream is largely the protein albumin, but the albumin doesn’t retain water unless there is an 23:56 associated sort of a cloud of sodium atoms associated with the negative charges on the albumin protein. The combination of sodium albumin retains water right within this system of atoms and molecules. And if you don’t have enough sodium, if you take a diuretic that makes you lose sodium, the water that goes with the sodium does not just reduce the blood volume, but it reduces the ability of the albumin to pull water, to keep water from going out into your tissues. So the albumin, instead of pulling water out of your tissues into the bloodstream, the albumin itself 24:57 goes out of the blood vessels into your tissues, creating a kind of edema and swelling that does not, it isn’t the typical pitting edema. It’s a very firm resembling mix edema of hypothyroidism, but it’s simply caused by the lack of sodium, which is needed to keep water in the proper compartments. So without sodium, you dehydrate your circulatory system, but waterlog the functioning tissues so they don’t work very well. So it’s putting the water in the wrong place. And in experiments, two different groups gave women with toxinia of pregnancy a great water retention and high blood pressure. They gave them extra salt instead of diuretics to 25:59 make them lose salt. And with this supplement, in one case, I think it was six grams a day, in the other group, they gave them 20 or 21 grams a day of extra salt. In both cases, their blood pressure quickly came down to normal and their toxinia was cured just by getting that considerably big dose of daily salt. So edema, puffiness around the ankles or lower legs, and I think they’re like you said, there’s two different kinds. The kind that you press in and they kind of keep that little indentation in there. And then it’s come to that then there’s some, what’s the difference between those two? If you have protein leaked out of your blood vessels into the among the tissue cells, that protein is slow to move under pressure. And if it’s from the salt deficiency, causing leakage 27:04 of albumin, or if it’s from hypothyroidism, causing accumulation of sugar containing protein, either of those makes the water stick around your tissue cells and it doesn’t get easily pushed back into your blood vessels under pressure. So it tends to stay once it gets into your feet, for example, by gravity, then it doesn’t all come out during the night. A simple edema will correct itself during the night just because the pressure is less extreme. But when you stand up, if you don’t have enough sodium and albumin, your blood loses water into your lower extremities 28:04 and they swell up. So people that they get the puffy ankles, they could actually just try taking more salt and seeing if that doesn’t clear. Yeah, you want to make sure your protein intake is adequate. And when you increase your protein, you want to make sure that you’re not overloading on phosphate. Phosphate is now being recognized as a kidney toxin in kidney failure. Just too much phosphate is one of the most toxic things that damages the kidneys. And so if you’re going to increase your protein, use forms that are not overloaded with phosphate. Meat, fish, and seed proteins are the highest in phosphate. Leaves and milk and cheese are the lowest in 29:07 phosphate. So you can get over phosphate if you’re doing too much meat. Yeah, definitely. Pure meat eaters eventually, like the Eskimos, when they were on a largely meat-eating diet, they aged quickly beyond the age of 40 and their bones had 10 or 15 percent less mass than people in the same region who were not eating a pure meat diet. Here’s an email. This is a good one. Eric, he wants to build more muscle. Who doesn’t? What are some foods that we can eat to help muscle building? That’s a good question. Protein is an essential thing, but you have to make sure, again, that it is not excessive in phosphate and that has the B vitamins, vitamin D. Vitamin A is essential for making protein, 30:14 but you don’t want to get too much keratin. Keratin turns off your metabolism, blocks your testosterone production, for example. So you want natural animal vitamin A, such as you get in eggs and liver, and not too much of that either because that also is toxic to your thyroid, but it’s needed for making muscle protein, other proteins, and the steroid hormones, progesterone and testosterone. We had a fellow on the other day who’s a weight lifter kind of guy and talking about hormones and said that guys could do safely a little bit of progesterone from the wild yam on your little dab of it. Do you agree with that? Oh, yeah. If you take the amount of woman would use to replace after menopause, that’s about 30 milligrams a day, that can antagonize a 31:20 man’s testosterone and create a momentary testosterone deficiency, but if you take five or 10 milligrams, that’s more in the range that’s normal for a man, and it can actually, by reducing estrogen production in a man, it can make the testosterone effect much more potent. Both testosterone and progesterone are capable of reducing the synthesis of estrogen, but testosterone can be converted into estrogen. If you don’t have the progesterone and thyroid hormone, then you’re liable to convert your testosterone into estrogen and lose the masculinizing effect of the testosterone. So that’s why he was saying just a little bit will do it. He didn’t give a formula, but you say about five to 10 grams if the guys are going 32:22 to try. Milligrams, yeah. Five to 10 milligrams of a little bit of progesterone cream, and it comes from wild yams, just from yammies. Yeah. Well, it can be made from several different plant steroids. I don’t think the majority is now being made from yams. I think it’s cheaper from soybeans. Yeah, you don’t want to do that, right? Well, yeah, because it’s cheap, and it’s all refined so that you can’t tell what plant it came from. I see. It’s chemically so purified that there’s no difference between whether it comes from a ginger, I think, is one of the plants and soy and yam. But the bulk is now made from soy, but it’s all just as good. 33:23 Are beans estrogenic, where you want to not do too many of those? Are beans? Yeah, beans. Yeah, that type of plant, many years ago they found that sheep would miscarry if they grazed on leguminous plants, clover, alfalfa, beans and peas. All in the plant do have estrogens that are enough to act as a birth control pill for animals that are sensitive such as sheep. But in the bean itself, there are other toxins designed by the plant to make them indigestible, so people have developed technologies for cooking them properly. If you 34:24 soak them for a day, any grain, if it soaks at room temperature long enough to start sprouting enzymes, those enzymes work similarly to the cow’s rumen, activate detoxifying processes to grow. The plant has to reduce its own toxins and convert them into growth proteins, so soaking a bean detoxifies it quite a bit, then very long cooking until it softens, further reduces the toxicity of it. So there’s ways to do the beans and the grains where they’re digestible. Yeah, but there’s still a very low grade protein compared to leaf protein. The quality of the protein in leaf is similar to milk or about 70%!(NOVERB) 35:33 as perfect as egg yolk protein, so leaves and milk are similarly high quality. Muscle meat is a little lower quality by most definitions, but the bean and grain protein, most of them are way down on the scale of 5%!t(MISSING)o 10%!i(MISSING)n quality, meaning that for good muscle building, they function as nothing more than energy. Might as well eat sugar as beans. What about these days you can get some pretty good, very good quality grass fed whey protein. Do you think that’s a reasonable food? Powder? The whey isn’t quite as nutritionally balanced and safe as the casein. You separate the milk, you get different qualities 36:33 in the different proteins, but the whey is good quality protein, but for many purposes casein is better, the solid part that goes into cheese. Oh, you mean overall, but you don’t think it’s a negative thing, a good quality whey protein for people? No, no, it’s a good protein. Compared to beans, it’s extremely good. Do you have to do the whey proteins? Do they have to ferment this at all or they just separate it out? There are different ways of separating it. I think a lot of it now is done with an acid treatment rather than having bacteria make the acid. I think they just add an acid to cause the curdling and separation. Yeah, yeah, you want to be careful more which one you get. Does Dr. Pete have any insights on leg vascular insufficiency or lipodemia? Oh, we were kind of talking about. Thank you both for making these shows available. 37:35 You’re welcome. So did we cover the leg vascular insufficiency and lipodemia or not? Are they different from what we were talking about 20 minutes ago? In the legs in particular, well, having swelling of the legs and feet will the pressure from the tissue outside the blood vessels that simply pushes on the blood vessels and makes it very hard for the blood to get through. Just like if you put your hand into a pressure chamber and applied pressure. When the pressure equaled 150 millimeters of mercury, for example, your blood pressure wouldn’t be sufficient to push the blood 38:37 through the vessels. And the same thing happens when you get swollen tissues around your blood vessels that the swelling pressure can reach the point that the blood can’t get through. So it isn’t just a matter of what’s happening inside the blood vessels, but if you have extremely high fats in your blood that does increase the viscosity. If your albumin, it’s a very small protein, but interestingly, having high albumin increases the fluidity of your blood. Other proteins like fibrinogen make your blood thicker. So fat and fibrinogen are viscosity increases. Albumin and salt make your blood literally more fluid. 39:42 You can correct the fibrinogen and fat content by lowering your stress, basically. And that includes things like not having an excess of phosphate in your diet, having making sure your thyroid function and vitamin D levels are good. Those are the three most neglected anti-stress factors in our culture. The three again are the low thyroid, low thyroid, vitamin D, and excess of phosphate. Excess of phosphates. And those guys come from the ones before you said what, the meat, too much meat, fish, and beans and grains are also excessive in phosphates. Phosphates. Phosphates. Right, Pete is with us. Patrick Timponi, oneradionetwork.com. 40:43 Here is Kevin. He did a PSA test with his doc and the doc said it’s high. And can Dr. Peek give us his opinion on this whole PSA testing? Is it viable? And what do I do now? Because he doesn’t want to take any drugs. In the 1980s, they were looking for ways to diagnose prostate cancer and they decided that this particular antigen was a sign that something was wrong with the prostate. Actually, this particular protein is a defensive reaction to some kind of irritation or problem. It happens that cancer does lead to an increase of this protein, but it’s a defensive reaction. A company several years ago was planning to develop this as a product to sell to treat 41:50 prostate cancer because it has, in itself, it has an anti-cancer protective effect. But anyway, the main drift of the industry was to use it to diagnose prostate cancer. So, it came on the market, I think, around 1991. And in the next two or three years, there was approximately a 50%!i(MISSING)ncrease in the deaths from prostate cancer. And that is a general effect of diagnosis. If you’re using a treatment that produces some degree of mortality in the process of curing the disease, if you suddenly start treating many, many more people, the death rate is going to increase. 42:56 That’s what happened. A tremendous surge in the deaths from prostate cancer in the early 1990s. In the later 90s, a journalist went to a convention of prostate specialists and asked these men who specialized in treating prostate cancer, what would they do if they discovered they had prostate cancer? Almost all of them said they would do nothing. They were giving estrogen treatment and surgery to their patients, but they knew that they were not curing prostate cancer. So, they said, if they had it, they would not treat the prostate cancer. And around the beginning of this century, that became public and the idea spread watchful waiting after the diagnosis. In other words, 43:57 not treating, not using estrogen and surgery just because you have prostate cancer. And so, then the mortality rate dropped. It’s okay to diagnose it if you don’t treat it. Yeah, it’s interesting. What’s the connection between pumpkin seeds and zinc and prostate that’s been touted to be a good thing to help the guys keep Mr. Prostate strong? Something to that? Usually, people eat their pumpkin seeds well salted and I think increasing salt for many people is an extremely beneficial thing. Years ago, when I read about the effects of pregnant women curing their toxemia by eating a lot of extra salt, I knew a lot of women who had premenstrual syndrome and they would have swelling for a couple of weeks. They would swell up and get irritable 45:01 and they would crave salt, but they all said that the new salt would cause water retention. So, they even though they craved it tremendously, premenstrually, they decided that they shouldn’t eat it, but still they swelled up. And I told them about the pregnant women and said, why not eat the salt that you crave? And the very first cycle, they simply ate as much salt as they craved and they didn’t swell up. Over several years, I saw that happen over and over. If they followed their tastes, their premenstrual symptoms were tremendously reduced. So, I knew some old people who were told to restrict their salt. Invariably, they developed insomnia when they stopped eating the salt that they craved and their blood pressure was not cured. 46:03 I told some of my friends about the experience of the women with PMS and the pregnant women and a couple of my old friends tried disobeying their doctors and and salting their food as they as their taste indicated and their insomnia was cured. Very interesting. So, this craving, I know personally, I do and I know other people that crave salt, is it generally we really need it because we kind of crave it. We want a little bit more on this particular food and how would we know if we’re getting just too much and we’re kind of the craving has turned into a, I don’t know, just some kind of habit or some kind of a, you know, something that’s out of balance? Generally, people’s thyroid function decreases with aging or with stress and when your thyroid is low, you don’t retain salt properly. You lose salt in your urine very easily when your thyroid is low 47:08 and when you lose the sodium, your aldosterone increases. Aldosterone causes increased blood pressure and over time it causes fibrosis and degeneration of blood vessels and heart. So, low thyroid leads to these heart disease conditions largely because of the salt loss causing aldosterone to increase. When I worked in the woods, we had a cook who was a fanatic, he knew people lost salt when they sweated, so he would put a tablespoon of salt in our morning porridge and he wouldn’t give us our ham and eggs if we didn’t eat her porridge and so everyone would gag down the salt and then they gave us a bottle of salt pills to take because we would sweat. I would get white salt crystals on my eyebrows and arm hairs. The body adapts by lowering 48:14 the aldosterone so that the salt is lost easily and it even comes out abundantly in your sweat. But then you lose the salt in just a few hours and so you need salt pills to prevent fainting. After a week of that, having to eat salt pills in the afternoon after having a tablespoon for breakfast, I got the idea that the body was adjusting so I told the cook over the weekend that I had seen a doctor who told me to go on a low salt diet so from then on I got porridge without the toxic dose of salt and immediately that week I stopped sweating crystal and salt. So that was my first endocrine experiment on myself. The adrenals adjust very quickly 49:14 but the background to that is that aging lowers your thyroid function and your thyroid deficiency causes you to lose sodium so the craving in most people is a very biological thing but you could correct it by correcting your thyroid function which makes you retain salt efficiently so you don’t need to eat so much. So people like myself and others who do a lot of saunas I do a saun almost every day and I sweat a lot that would be another reason why I would crave the salt if I’m losing it through my sweat. So when you sweat like that in saunas, is it the salt you really need? People talk about electrolytes, what’s the difference between salt and electrolytes? The main electrolytes are salt and the minor ones potassium, magnesium, calcium. 50:23 The main one in the blood is sodium and a moderate amount of calcium and potassium and magnesium but sodium is the one that is most often correctable. But you can take electrolyte or things right and extra if you need to? Yeah it’s good to have a generous amount of all of them if they’re pure they regulate themselves so you can eat a huge amount of extra calcium, magnesium and potassium. If you took a lot of potassium all the ones that could stop your heart and too much magnesium can make you unconscious it has been used intravenously as an anesthetic 51:25 but when you take them orally your body adjusts them so it isn’t a matter of having the right proportion going in your body can do the sorting. Do you know those little that company what is it? The electro mix or you know the little emergency you know those little packages you think those are reasonable do you know that product I think they call electro mix of electrolytes. Those are all basically beneficial if they aren’t contaminated somewhere along the line. Who knows about that right. This is from a fellow in Switzerland oh hi there in Switzerland what laboratory test would Dr. Pete advise for a good health assessment would the following markers be a reasonable choice for a middle-aged man to do the TSH T3 T4 proloctin DHEA testosterone cortisol so he’s asking about all these different to test for vitamin A vitamin D. 52:29 Talk a bit about people going to do blood tests some of the key things that they might want to do to help this fellow and others. Doctors are often reluctant to follow the patient’s interest giving DHEA even TSH they’re sometimes reluctant to do often enough. Vitamin D should be done pretty regularly if you live in a northern or temperate climate where you don’t get a sun all year round. There are some tests that are very rarely done routinely free fatty acids are extremely important stress will increase the free free fatty acids. The most common tests that people benefit from are the ones you mentioned 53:33 progesterone DHEA, pregnanolone, testosterone, TSH and the thyroid hormones proloctin is a pretty good indicator of stress and imbalance when it rises. And then of course you got the fibrigen right in the A1C the kind of classics those are those are good markers right of potential problems. Lactic acid in the blood is another thing that should be done more often because a lot of people because of stress or hypothyroidism or nutritional imbalance will chronically have more lactic even though it isn’t recognized as acidosis a rise in lactic acid is a good indicator of something going wrong in your body. So the ones you mentioned that are that are good to know free fatty acids proloctin lactic acids what are some of the other ones that you said? Well the balance of calcium and phosphate 54:43 will show up if you test the parathyroid hormone that is reflecting your status of phosphate calcium and vitamin D. And that’s part of the thyroid panel no no it’s rarely done it’s extremely relevant to your general health your heart health is powerfully influenced by a parathyroid hormone. So you can actually test for that? Yeah well now so would some of these generally ban if somebody has a really broad spectrum test done we have a fellow that we’re working with he he does a 52 marker test doctor Lois 52 would they be in would you have to ask these special generally the the ones that you mentioned parathyroid lactic acid proloctin are these would be special requests and add-ons? 55:44 Yeah unfortunately some labs cost hugely for those specialized tests the life extension foundation now has a deal with labs around the country and in the spring they have extremely good prices on panels hormone panels and some general panels but I don’t think they’re yet doing some of the very important tests like lactic acid free fatty acids and parathyroid hormone. That’s very interesting yeah a little plug here for Dr. Lois we have an ad on the front page and you all can go on there free take a little quiz then if you want to connect up with him he’ll do a 52 marker I think it’s worth like 350 bucks plus an hour consultation to read you know and to interpret the labs and that’s that’s worth 350 right there to most stocks so so you might want to consider doing that and then yeah ask him about these I’ve never 56:45 heard of some of these parathyroid wow the parathyroid the hormone again Dr. Pete what does that tell us if we get that tested does that tell us it is increased when you’re deficient in calcium or vitamin D or have an excess of phosphate and the parathyroid hormone happens to work closely with the aldosterone of the adrenals so it responds to a thyroid function and adrenal function and parathyroid hormone like aldosterone poisons your the function of your mitochondria all through your system the mitochondrial respiration falls as your parathyroid hormone and aldosterone right something happened to your phone it seems like it lost a little volume and clicked on there but nothing yes something oh there you go did you hear that there was an echo 57:47 in there for a while okay there it goes what is Dr. Pete here’s another email for Dr. Ray Pete Patrick Timponi one radio network dot com may 21st James Corbett will be here tomorrow for tin foil tin foil hat Wednesday he’s out of Japan he’s really a trip you’ll enjoy hearing some of the things we’ll talk about all the geopolitics in the world and some of the more spooky things going on with tin foil hat Wednesday tomorrow does Dr. Pete think there’s anything to this more and more people talking about vitamin A toxicity seems to be a new thing that people are kind of clamoring about any anything here we need to look at in your opinion in 1973 and for the drug companies were coming out with synthetic vitamin A products and they found professors around the country to tell stories one at I think it was University of Washington or Oregon or Washington put out the story that she had seen patients go 58:55 blind from taking vitamin A there were several professors with stories like that coordinated apparently through the advertising departments of the pharmaceutical companies selling synthetic vitamin A I contacted these professors they wouldn’t talk to me it was obviously just made up stories to make people fear vitamin A and one of the popular stories is about some explorers who ate polar bear liver and their skin fell off in the following days there there are lots of toxic things that polar bears liver might contain but they chose to blame it on vitamin A and in animal experiments huge doses that would be greater than you could get from polar bear liver never produce symptoms similar to what the the polar bear liver supposedly 01:00:01 caused so there there is a history of trying to create panic and that’s going on with vitamin E people are saying vitamin E causes heart disease and cancer they have products to sell that might cost a thousand dollars or ten thousand dollars a month they don’t want people taking something that costs a dollar a month I wonder what polar bears could eat they might think it delivers toxics I mean it’s pretty pristine up there right no pollution and just fish yeah but if there’s for example an algae bloom the fish have concentrated that the polar bear will eat either the fish or seals that have poisoned themselves eating fish that have eaten algae and the algae toxins are a very good candidate for what got blamed on vitamin A 01:01:07 well there’s so much stuff in Dr. Pete that if you really dig into the history like anything on planet earth that it’s different from what we’ve been told I mean it’s just amazing isn’t it yeah experiments with with baby chicks I think they were giving them something like a million units of vitamin A which caused brain deformity their brain stuck out of their cranium as they developed but if they gave them a moderate amount of vitamin E the vitamin A was no longer toxic so what was happening was at a certain very high level vitamin A auto catalyzes it stimulates its own oxidation and degradation and the symptoms of vitamin A poisoning become similar to vitamin A deficiency and both of those are prevented by adding vitamin E 01:02:10 which prevents the breakdown here’s an email for you what does Dr. Pete think about reducing endotoxins from gut bacteria by using things like garlic ginger cloves black cumin seeds and things like that those are they have their own allergens so you have to be careful they do somewhat suppressed bacterial growth but you have to watch that you aren’t adding some of these seed defensive toxins or allergens in the process I think it’s safest to use certain fibrous foods for some people clean rinsed bran from wheat or oats is a safe way to stimulate your intestine to reduce the endotoxin production a cooked mushroom or bamboo shoot 01:03:13 these organisms have antibacterial chemicals built into the molecule into the organism so that they will not only act as a fiber and a balker but they will chemically reduce the bacterial population a raw carrot is another thing the carrot grows in a very microorganism rich environment fungus and bacteria and raw carrot will powerfully reduce the endotoxin production oh that’s why you like the carrot salads you like to grade carrots right at night yeah and olive oil and vinegar are both bactericidal so a good dressing oil and vinegar with some salt makes the carrot more effective and tasty yeah so bamboo shoots I mean the only thing I’ve ever seen there in oil and restaurants or the bamboo shoots you get in a can that’s not what we’re talking about can you get like 01:04:17 really fun good back bamboo shoots somewhere only in places like Chinatown in in San Francisco or New York but the canned ones you can get a quarter to quart can of cooked bamboo shoots and I always boil them for a minute or two to eliminate any metal from the can but then if you make a sauce for example cheese and egg sauce they can be a very tasty dish oh and they’re good for these little bamboo shoots yeah cool here’s an email from adam berkstrom you know adam he was on the show with us one time he says accelerated lipofuscin accumulation and oxidative stress are definitely involved in autism does the oxidative stress cause the lipofuscin accumulation or is it the other way around in your opinion it’s both the lipofuscin lowers the oxygen 01:05:26 tension it wastes it acts as a catalyst taking fuel directly to oxygen and creating an oxygen deficiency and that oxygen deficiency imitates what happens under stress or in the presence of estrogen the low oxygen creates the catalytic condition to further degrade any polyunsaturated fat that’s in the environment and vitamin a can contribute to that an excess of vitamin a without e interacts with the fish oil or other unsaturated fat to to lead to the accelerated production of lipofuscin oh so the e helps with with lipofuscin if you’re gonna do some poofies or something yeah it’s the main that that was uh one of the things that led to vitamin e research was discovering 01:06:33 that it prevented lipofuscin and the brain toxic effects and uh uh testosterone suppressing effects and so on okay so would your faith be then one of those like mixed tocoprol tocoprol kind of yeah i think the mixed product is the best can dr p tell us how much or uh is sauerkraut really good to consume on a regular basis good for gut health sauerkraut the salt isn’t it is i think the main virtue just the salt yeah how about the rest of it it’s it’s okay but i don’t think it’s is uh health food would soaking wheat uh writes an email or work for making healthier bread soaking the wheat definitely definitely i was a bread maker when i was in graduate school you were and i experimented letting it soak for 12 to 24 hours and i found that ordinary bakery 01:07:39 bread would cause gas just a slice of it that would disturb my sleep but i could eat a whole loaf of my homemade bread with no digestive problem at all and would you do it with a sourdough you had you know starter uh no it was just what came out of the air yeah i think good luck getting the right kind of yeast out of the air but just the soaking activates enzymes and the actual protein value where wheat has extremely low value protein because of the storage gluten gluten doesn’t have great nutritional value but when it soaks the enzymes turn it into growth proteins and more than double the actual protein value so you’re getting actually some valuable protein in your bread that’s soaked properly and these days you can even get the original organic 01:08:44 iron corn wheat you know the old stuff the old heritage wheat you can actually get that now at Whole Foods a lady a friend of mine out of Italy is is producing that he she talked about the protein quality of of the older seeds sometimes is is significantly higher than yeah crimp she found the seeds and talked some farmers into growing it’s called iron corn and she had she had kids that were having a hard time with all the gluten you know the the whole gluten sensitivity thing and they do fine and she’s a bed breaker and so they do fine with this iron corn very interesting it must be something with this new wheat on all this gluten stuff huh the hybridization and all that yeah it makes a bread lighter if you’re going to make bread in a factory quickly without leavening in the natural way the gluten has a rubbery quality 01:09:46 that makes it possible to inflate the loaf and have a rubbery texture when when the grain is soaked so that it’s nutritionally more valuable it loses that rubbery quality and you get a denser moisture tending to crumble bread so it isn’t popular in the supermarkets uh-huh a few more here then we’ll let you go to work um does Dr. Pete think that there is a fungal connection to prostate cancer and our breast cancer most tumors contain fungus just because the immune system is deranged and you’ll find lots of junk uh contributing uh the fungus produces estrogen for example but the cancer cells themselves are producing estrogen stimulating their own growth and uh I think the uh the risk 01:10:57 the seriousness of a cancer uh increases uh the uh likelihood of finding fungus in it uh it seems to be a lot of going on you know with the prostate and the testing and they’re doing that for the breast cancer too and where it actually it has in the science shown that the more you mess around with these things these lumps and all that the worse it is the worse it is uh you know the uh doing a biopsy uh if you believe that the cancer is a mutant cell that is following its own internal rules biopsy and chemotherapy and radiation and surgery all seem logical but if you think of the the cancer as a product of something going wrong in the organism that is failing to heal a wound if you see the the tumor 01:11:59 as a wound which is not healing properly then when you mess with it uh you’re adding to the problems of the organism rather than solving the organism’s problem so if you think of the tumor as a womb flesh that a wound yeah flesh that out a little bit that’s interesting um talk a little bit more about that idea when you look at at a healing wound there was an article in JAMA about 50 years ago are showing that doing a biopsy of a normal wound just a stab wound or something as the tissue heals doing the pathology doing a slice of the tissue any stage of the healing wound can be identical in structure to a cancer a pathologist would say yeah these are cancer cells they have 01:13:00 all the properties of occasional abnormal cell division of the ratio of cytoplasm and nucleus is low it it’s invasive structurally that’s part of a normal wound healing process but the problem is that the the cancer lacks something to get beyond that stage of healing and and so it just keeps growing without resolving the wound it doesn’t create an organized tissue because something is is lacking in the system so the body’s sounds like the body’s trying to heal when these cancer cells are getting it getting together in a way yeah you can find quite a bit of research on that but it isn’t popular the medical business is invested in their super extensive chemotherapies and their radiation equipment by unbeamed machines that cost millions 01:14:08 of dollars and it’s not good for their investment to question whether the whole theory of cancer and you say this is so organism that’s sometimes called a tumor that’s trying to heal it’s lacking in something do we know what it’s lacking in for one thing carbon dioxide the person who asked about a fungus probably had heard about semonchini in Italy and baking soda interestingly very often does provide what the tumor lacks to be able to heal but carbon dioxide is what the baking soda is providing sodium plus carbon dioxide and in the 18th century people were already experimenting the discovery of carbonated water 01:15:11 partly it was closely related to the observation that carbon dioxide helps with cancer and people were already seeing great improvement for example in breast cancer just by exposing it to carbon dioxide there’s a book that reviews the history of treating cancer with carbon dioxide for example carbon dioxide enemas or breathing carbon dioxide or sitting in a bag full of carbon dioxide to absorb it through the skin when you’re under stress the characteristic feature of cancer identified by Otto Warburg 100 years ago is that it can’t stop producing lactic acid which is normal in an injury but the injured tissue producing lactic acid stimulates its own 01:16:15 growth which is good for the healing process but at some point the lactic acid has to stop to allow maturing of the tissue rather than continued growth carbon dioxide is the feature produced by the respiring mitochondria which should turn off lactic acid but if something is limiting your ability to produce and retain carbon dioxide then you can’t turn off lactic acid and and simon genies baking soda sometimes provided enough sodium and and bicarbonate or carbon dioxide to suppress the lactic acid and allow healing to proceed and do we do we know why this carbon dioxide process sometimes lowered low thyroid low calcium low vitamin d 01:17:19 low sodium are all factors in limiting the ability to make enough carbon dioxide would it be reasonable folks every now and then take a little teaspoon of baking soda i mean but are you okay i help athletes find that their endurance is greatly increased with your typical dose is a tablespoon of baking soda well start of an endurance race that’s a lot poor tablespoon that’s going to taste really phew man yeah but even a fourth of a teaspoon sure uh with water can make a big difference in how a person feels i’ve known people who always got swollen feet on an airplane trip yeah taking a spoonful of soda in water they found that they didn’t have the swollen feet well what’s going on there um the when you 01:18:21 take in the baking soda your kidneys quickly get rid of any excess sodium that you don’t need but the bicarbonate is able to be turned when it meets a cell enzymes turn it quickly into carbon dioxide which is acidic and the acidic cell uh quiets down and stops making so much lactic acid the formation of lactic acid it makes the cell alkaline and the baking soda provides the carbon dioxide that will reacidify the cell and stop it from producing lactic acid no very interesting so but you wouldn’t want to do that i guess around food time because it doesn’t have to loot the stomach acid too i don’t expect the stomach usually can quickly make some very 01:19:22 powerful at producing acid and removing excess just stomach yeah excuse me does stomach acid increase with stress or or decrease uh depends on the person oh right yes it could go either way yeah um please ask dr pete what about a1 versus a2 casing milk is there a difference there if there is a difference but i’ve never seen any research that really makes a convincing case that it’s important for the health uh the the peptides do differ and the peptides do have different effects but our digestive systems are usually so efficient that we don’t notice any effect 01:20:25 i see it breaks down right to amino acids which uh have none of that uh endocrine effect they’re out there actually selling a2 milk now have you seen that on the shelves or a2 they they it’s a home marketing thing now are the new digital x-rays significantly less dangerous than the older guys or more uh what they’re meaning is that they have a more sensitive way of registering the x-rays that the same old x-rays yeah but uh they’re they’re claiming that their new machinery can uh more dimensions yeah smaller smaller doses but in in effect in practice what they’re doing is making more pictures and it turns out that the exposure per visit to dentists is likely to be just about the same because they’re they’re so enthusiastic about making 01:21:31 more pictures yeah well what about this thing that was a really popular over the years i don’t know i don’t hear about it much more but they were really promoting a lot on radio where you take a a picture with this what do they call this uh of your chest and look at all the calcium in your arteries what’s the name of that um do you know which one we know i’m talking about uh yeah high energy a lot of big big strong x-rays things uh yeah a CAT scan yeah something we’re doing it but uh the it’s well established that uh medical x-rays are a major cause of heart disease as well as breast cancer okay the the areas that have the best medical care uh uh the the area around san francisco in california very high income area had the country’s highest 01:22:37 incidence of breast cancer west virginia very poor medical terror so-called but also the lowest breast cancer mortality yeah and very good evidence that heart disease as well as breast cancer is caused by medical x-rays oh the the term i was thinking of dr peter ct scans yeah they’re very popular very inexpensive right ct yeah they deliver hundreds of time yeah more radiation than a chest x-ray yeah a lot and more and more people have been exposed in the last 10 or 15 years you can go in some malls and get a ct scan in a mall in a mall here’s an email from jill if someone has a problem converting t4 to t3 and has slightly high reverse t3 are they better off taking armor or cytomel i started cytomel of five milligrams but starting getting headaches my doctor wants me to switch to 01:23:41 armor for most people the combination products such as armor are very good reliable can be the dose can be adjusted if you are watchful women have been known to have at least five times as much thyroid disease as men because estrogen interferes with the function of thyroid at every level that’s the gland and that the transport and that the cellular response level one of the things that does is increase cortisol in the stress hormones and that interferes with the conversion of thyroxin to t3 so women are much more likely than men to have a t3 deficiency 45 years ago 01:24:41 when i was teaching endocrinology there was a woman at the university of oregon hospital brought in unconscious from a mix edema coma they called it her doctor had started her on 100 micrograms of thyroxin that wasn’t enough for symptoms he increased it gradually at 500 micrograms she went into a coma in the hospital they discovered she had essentially zero active t3 hormone the pituitary had been suppressed by the high dose of thyroxin and the pituitary is able to activate the conversion but with the resulting high estrogen and high cortisol the conversion was blocked so they give her intravenous t3 and immediately she came out of 01:25:45 the coma and was well but it’s very common you could you could say that practically all of the women women with a thyroid problem are deficient in t3 because of that effect of estrogen blocking the conversion and so they could use they could maybe experiment with a little bit of progesterone and the wild yam thing to do with that would that help yes the progesterone blocks the the formation of estrogen and also blocks the anti thyroid effect of cortisol estrogen increases cortisol which blocks thyroid function progesterone blocks both of those and lets the thyroid function normally so that’s why it works for the guys with the testosterone the progesterone 01:26:45 same principle yeah pretty safe too what i understand and do you agree pretty safe yeah no one has has really found any harmful side effects of progesterone except that it can cause unconsciousness if you do a huge dose yeah yeah okay final email then we’ll let you go on with your day here what is your guest recommend for low thyroidism and high blood pressure at the same time we recently started taking some living streams probiotics which seem to have helped other symptoms okay thank you but not the high blood pressure yet i stopped taking armor thyroid when i started the probiotics should i just um just have eased off of the armor oh so let’s see it sounds like dr pete they kind of just dumped the armor but their blood pressure has gone up a little bit um yeah the uh when you’re low in thyroid function 01:27:53 generally your tsh is very high yeah tsh has a pro inflammatory effect that creates many of the of circulatory problems that are blamed on hypothyroidism it’s really hyper tsh ism which goes with the low thyroid function and so keeping your tsh down is very important i’ve got several dozen articles showing that the hypertension was cured when they corrected their low thyroid problem so that’s why she got off the armor and then maybe the why the why her blood pressure went up yeah it’s that’s probably the the largest cause of hypertension is low thyroid but you have to watch the the intestine health yeah it’s extremely important when your thyroid is low your digestion is slow and toxins from the intestine contribute to the the high blood 01:29:01 pressure yeah yeah well well dr pete good job thanks for spending uh some time with this here today we appreciate it okay yeah it’s always fun now your website again is rapeete.com you have lots of articles you have a um uh what was it 12 different uh 12 what would you say i’m sorry 12 different uh 12 12 subscriptions or 12 issues of your yeah 12 issues every other month every other month over two years if you want to get your your uh on the special email thing and you can do that right on his website again thanks a lot have a have a pleasant uh day up there in the northwest okay thank you thank you sir dr rapeete well always good now boy i’ll tell you what you gotta take notes right whoo man

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