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00:00 The time is 7 o’clock. This is Redwood Community Radio, KMUD Garberville, KMUE Eureka, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, 01:04 K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, 02:06 K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I 03:08 K-L-A-I, K-L-A-I, And we have the herb doctors. Welcome to this month’s Ask Your Herb Doctor. My name’s Andrew Murray. My name’s Sarah Johanneson-Merck. Welcome. For those of you who perhaps have never listened to this show, they run every third Friday of the month from 7 to 8 p.m. and from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o’clock. You’re invited to call in with any questions related. So this month’s topic of mitochondria, immunity and natural resistance. Once again, we’re very pleased to be joined by Dr. Raymond Peake to weigh in with his expertise on this subject. Dr. Peake, are you there? Yeah, but I can barely hear you. Oh, yeah. 04:10 Let me know. Can you hear me any better now? No. No. Engineer? The engineer’s voice was very clear, but when he switched, you on. The sound went down to almost nothing. Okay. Well, I’m going to bring him as much as I can. I know that callers have had trouble hearing other people hear. It’s too bad you can hear me and not him, though. I’ve brought him up a bit and I think we’ll have to do our best. Okay. Well, let me, let me, I guess, there you are. I’ll outline, outline what we’re going to talk about. The main thrust of tonight’s show is going to be natural resistance and immunity. And we’re going to discuss the role of mitochondria. There’s some very interesting plant-based material which is responsible for the cell stabilizing effect that we’re going to describe and discuss in terms of stabilizing the cell and for producing energy in the mitochondria. 05:21 So Dr. P, I think if you can hear me okay, we should probably start by asking you to describe your academic and professional background. Okay. I didn’t study biology professionally until about 12, 12 years after graduating from college. I decided to go back and get a PhD at the University of Oregon, 1968 to 72. And previously I had been working in literature, education, and various humanities areas. But finishing my PhD in physiology, I continued using the ideas I had researched to apply to different fields, studying brain in particular, reproductive hormones, and how nutrition interacts with development and health in general. 06:35 Okay. Thanks for that. So forgetting onto the topic of the first part of the show, I looked at a wide range of natural products which have been studied and which have been shown to be sources of mass cell stabilizers. So in terms of the degranulation, which is a term given that mass cells undergo, and I don’t think it’s just mass cells, but in terms of a response to an allergen, which is the histamine-type based reaction upon which inflammation is predicated, there’s several different classes of compounds ranging from flavonoids to coomorins, things like synamic acid, and especially we’ll cover things like resveratrol and the quercetin, which is a flavonoid found in citrus fruits and dark berries. 07:45 I want to try and get a discussion going with you, because I know that you’re interested in the energy potential of cells, and we’ve mentioned before and previous shows medicinal plants like lapacho or tababui in pitiginosa, and otherwise known as paldearco, as well as cat’s claw, which is uncarioterminosa. Now the lapacho, which is producing the compound lapacho from tababui, a South American indigenous tree, is used in the treatment of cancers, as well as cat’s claw, which is used in the treatment of beryliosis from tick-borne Lyme’s disease-carrying ticks. Now both of these, too, as well as all the other flavonoids that we’ll look at, have very dark pigments, and I’ve asked you in the past about the electrical potential of these pigments, and I know you’ve had a fairly clear answer for their benefits and how they are able to support various cell functions, as well as mitochondrial function in energy production through ATP, etc. 08:58 But both of these plants have very dark pigments. So do you have anything to say on the nature of the pigment and how that pigment acts electronically? Yeah, when I was in graduate school, I was working on how oxidation, mitochondrial oxidation relates not only to aging and fertility, but also to resistance against disease and development. Aging is a bad outcome of development, but development of the organism is something that’s always happening, and when it’s under the influence of oxidation, the outcome is constructive when it’s under the influence of something that blocks mitochondrial oxidation, the outcome is always bad. And it was already known in the 1960s that in general, purple pigments tended to promote better, more efficient oxidation, and so I was always running around testing various plant materials, especially the purple and red ones. 10:23 And several people observed that in general, red pigments tended to be sedating and blue pigments stimulating, but my main interest was in how the color related to the structure and why it improved mitochondrial oxidation. In the early years of the 20th century, Frederick Koch, a biochemistry and physiology professor at the University of Michigan, found that a certain way of preparing a catalyst, he used a certain hot temperature of a platinum electrode to oxidize alcohol and produced a very intense deep blue or purple pigment and found that it catalyzed mitochondrial physiology and function. 11:36 Many years before, the ubiquinone system named that because it’s a quinone, which is ubiquitous in life, but even before that was known, Frederick Koch was working on that chemical structure, which he knew to be a quinone, but he hadn’t even attempted to extract that material from cells. He just reasoned that it had to be there to catalyze oxygen, and so it turned out that this quinone that he was producing involved multiple double bonded carbon oxygen bonds that were resonating in relation to each other. 12:41 The more you have in a sequence interacting with each other, the more powerful it is as an oxidant, and after he, in effect, was chased out of the US by the FDA and FBI, he went to Brazil and studied natural plant substances there, and Lopacho was one that he was interested in because of its color. This turns out to be an analog of our own quinone system or coenzyme Q10 system, which is also very closely related to the vitamin T structure, and the natural anti-inflammatory, antibiotic tetracycline have a very intense system of conjugated double bonds analogous to these other natural activators of respiration. 13:58 They happen to, in general, activate the production of energy as well as increasing the consumption of oxygen, but during this same period, going back about 70 or 80 years, it was known that anything that uncoupled reduced the efficiency of energy production in the form of ATP would make the oxygen system of the mitochondrion run faster and create a more oxidized state of the cell. This principle was used in diet pills because it would make you burn up fat quickly, but it was also found to intensify immunity in the sense of being able to detect and throw off cancer cells that were disseminated, but not yet forming tumors when you made the cells oxidize probably about 50 to 100 percent more intensely than normal by using this uncoupling chemical. 15:19 The cancer cells would be attacked by the rest of the body, flare up, and be thrown off, and failed to go ahead and produce deadly cancer. This particular chemical, dinitrophinol, uses the nitro group, which is actually more toxic than the system the body uses. At much risk here, a lot of people kill themselves trying to use that chemical for weight loss or whatever, but it illustrates the principle that when you run the system so it oxidizes more thoroughly, because it does something to the immune system that resists both infectious organisms like bacteria. 16:27 One of the changes that happens when you uncouple the cell and increase mitochondrial oxidation is that iron becomes safely put into a storage form, the ferric oxidized form, and the opposite of that process happens when the cell has some obstruction to oxygen use. Many toxins and microorganisms can interfere with the use of oxygen, and in that case, the iron is reduced electronically, goes into the toxic ferrous form, which creates very powerful free radical forms of oxygen, hydroxyl radical, which then damages everything in the cell. 17:31 So, protectively, the cell has this basic mechanism of increasing, of fever, for example, will increase the body temperature and oxidation by a natural form of uncoupling. Okay, you’re listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMED Galvival 91.1 FM. From 7.30 to the end of the show, callers are welcome to ask questions. Dr. Raymond Peake is with us, guest speaker. We’re discussing mitochondrial immunity and natural resistance, and we’re just about to look at some of the natural compounds that are used as cell stabilizers. So, going back to what you said, Dr. Peake, about iron and these coin-known compounds that are found in things like tababoui, poudarco, do those also cause the body to put iron in a safer form rather than the very toxic form you mentioned? 18:35 Yeah, everything that maintains even the normal rate of cellular oxidation maintains a basic stable cell immune condition, and it’s only when something has caused a dangerous disruption that the body has to resort to fever to increase that state and go back to its resting normal rate of good high oxidation. Okay, so we were talking about, or rather you were talking about the double-bonded oxygen structure and how this was relevant to the efficacy of these things to be stabilizing and to produce the effect that you just mentioned. I think, well, just in case people aren’t familiar with mitochondria, I think it’s a well-known kind of grade school term that they are the machinery that generates the energy, the natural progenitors of the energy. 19:46 Essentially, these are organelles, if you like, that are part of a cell, and there are trillions and trillions and trillions of them, each quote-unquote manufacturing energy, but they essentially use food that’s converted into a chemical called ATP, which is released by the mitochondria. Now, I don’t want to just assume that this is how you understand mitochondria, because I know that you’ve got some different interpretations of things we learn when we were studying these subjects, and that’s the way that it’s generally portrayed. Essentially, what are the nutrients that we eat? Increase the energy electrons, as it were, in the form of a substance called NADH, and this is used by protein complexes to pump protons from the matrix to the intermembrane space of the mitochondria. And this continuous pumping, supposedly causes this proton-rich gradient, where you’ve got positively charged protons attracted to a negatively charged matrix, and going through this ATP synthase protein complex, which, again, you may or may not subscribe to, and this is essentially what catalyzes the production of ATP, and it’s this currency of energy which is used like thyroid very much, and they’re probably hand-in-hand. 21:09 Uncoupler when it’s sufficient. Say that again? Thyroid hormone does increase the uncoupled oxidation of glucose in particular, raising the temperature, so when you’re feeling maximally energized and efficient with good thyroid function, you aren’t really being efficient in the sense of making a maximum number of ATP per oxygen, because the running the oxygen through the system is maintaining a favorable balance of NAD, the oxidized form, to NADH, and when you block that thyroid function or any aspect of the system in the mitochondria that consumes oxygen, blocking that, you pile up too much NADH. 22:11 That’s the reducing stress state of the cell. And these plant substances, a lot of them because of their hydroxy group rather than a double-bonded oxygen-carbon group, they have been considered to be nothing but antioxidant vitamin C among them. But some of the flavonoids, for example, that in the test tube they look like antioxidants or reductants, once they get inside the cell, they change their structure, lose the hydrogen, and create the quinone, the keto group, the double-bonded oxygen-carbon, and become a catalyst then to maintain the oxidized state of the cell and lower the ratio of NADH to NAD. 23:12 Okay, so the cell stabilizing effect then is something I think we should probably just open up at this point in time because… Although we have a caller too, I tried emailing you but that didn’t work. It’s a little early. I just wanted to get into some of these natural products so that people that are listening to the show now or later on on the audio archive can take a look at these compounds and see how they’re relevant in today’s alternative medicine and how quercetin is one of those that I think will jump straight into quercetin. I’ll tell them to call back in 15 minutes. Yeah, I think so. Essentially quercetin, for those people who’ve been looking at the alternative approaches to treating COVID and or prophylaxis, which is obviously the best way to try and go about this is to keep your energy and your cell stability good and thyroid function up and making sure that you’re in a healthy space physiologically. That quercetin was one of these flavonoids that has been mentioned in quite a few published medical journals along with the hydroxychloroquine which was mentioned early on in March and April. 24:27 I will mention the other compound, ivermectin, which actually is an antiparasitic. Getting back to quercetin, quercetin was one of those three compounds that was used exactly for the cell stabilizing effects of its effect. One of those, again, compounds that Dr. Phoenix mentioned, is found richly in citrus fruits and dark berries. Then we talked about how they are to begin with and the ubiquinone and the quinone structure having this pigmentation. We find a lot of the flavonoids that are useful in terms of stabilizing mass cells and preventing degranulation and the inflammation from histamine release and the cascade of events that happens that produces the vasodilation and bronchoconstriction and all the respiratory trouble that people can’t get into in just a regular coughs and colds and influences, let alone coronavirus for however much more severe it is than a regular flu. 25:35 These flavonoids range from herbs that were well known when we were studying things like diaz-world, which is resida luteola, which the compound is luteolin. Then from the olive, diaz-metin is another good mass cell stabilizer and apigenin is well known in herb world from parsley or artichokes and chamomile and oregano. They also listed gingetin from Ginko and Ginko is a well-known platelet aggregation factor blocker used in allergies. And also EGCG is epigallicatin gallate from green tea, but again in strawberries, blackberries, pears, peaches and apples. And then salamarin from the milk little, another good flavonoid, and scopolytin from oats, cherries, and then there were several other compounds which were from some fairly random artemisias and angelicas that were, myself, stabilizers. 26:46 Another range of these things came from cinnamon, a synamic acid was well reviewed and elagic acid from, again, these pigmented berries, strawberries, raspberries, blackberries, cherries, walnuts. And I wanted to talk about resveratrol, which has been used in an anti-boreliosis approach from pelican and cuspidatum, another very good mass cell stabilizer. And then turmeric from curcumin and parthenolide from Feverfew. And then there was the sesquiterpine lactone family of compounds from which spinach and lettuce, funnily enough, and chicory were well represented and, yeah, and parsley, cellarine, parsley. So there’s lots of natural compounds of which some are flavonoids, some of them are phenols, some are terpenoids, but they are all from plants and plant-based compounds which are either pigment products like all the berries and the fruits, 27:55 or they are just other compounds produced by natural products of which these herbs are bearing those things. I think we can probably take this first caller for callers on the air if they’re still there, otherwise we can give out the number and people can call in from now until 8 o’clock. I had asked him to call back in 15 minutes, but callers do call 9233 911. And did it work for me to email that we had a caller so I don’t have to interrupt you? Oh, let me check that. Okay, so it doesn’t pop up easily for you, so I will interject. Nope, I can. I can check it here. Okay, so once again, for people listening to the show, you’re listening to Ask Your Earth Doctor, KMUD Galvavel, 91.1 FM. We have Dr. Raymond Peake, guest speaker on the show tonight. The number if you’re in or out of the area, wherever you are in the world, let’s not give out that 1-800 number, let’s give out the 707-923-3911. So that’s once again 707-923-3911. 29:00 Callers welcome from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o’clock. And we have a caller now. Okay, great. Well, let’s take this first caller before we get back to the cell stabilizing effects of some of these compounds, and then we’re going to get into natural resistance. And then we’re going to mention iron and other factors. So, caller, you’re on the air. What’s your question away from? Oh, I’m actually calling you from down in San Francisco. I’m David. I call it, you’re on the air. Where are you from? What’s your question? Yeah, well, I tuned in late, so I’m not part of it. I didn’t have an engineering issue. Oh, hold on. Wait a second. David, he’s not able to hear you. I’m going to try switching you over to Dr. Pete’s line and see if he is able to hear you. So, David, please start again. No, no, just start again right now. Oh, yeah. Hear me now? Yeah, what’s your question, David? Where are you from? I tuned in late, so I wasn’t positive. I heard it right. But are you talking about the list of different herbs and plants that you were recommending there? 30:07 Was that in kind of a prevention of COVID, that all of that list would kind of make your tissue pucker up, and it would make it harder for the COVID to grab on? Is that kind of the area you’re working on with that? It was not at all specific for COVID, but which was a very broad spectrum max cell stabilizer. So it was a cell, they are all cell stabilizing compounds from that. So when I say pucker up, you’re calling it stabilizing, which might be the same thing. Yeah. Well, what I’m wondering about, tied to that, is there, you know, if COVID makes your lungs pucker up so much that they turn into dead coral, is there something that we could eat that would regain tissue in your lungs? So in other words, if you get that dead coral off and cough it out, you might be able to grow your lungs again if you ate right. 31:11 Yeah. Okay, so… I think that actuality is extremely rare. But Dr. P, what do you think about the lung tissue damaging effects of what we are all frightened with with COVID-19? The spike protein creates the inability to overcome inflammation. So the inflammatory reactions are what killed a person with COVID infection. Right. Yeah, it creates so much pus that you drown in it, right? And the mass cells, for example, the plain old histamine reactions, prostaglandins, all of the familiar things that we suffer from with a mosquito bite or a bruise, almost any injury. 32:14 It’s exactly the same inflammatory system that goes wrong with COVID and also with cancer. So it shouldn’t be surprising that a tremendous range of natural substances, which have very parallel molecular arrangements, shouldn’t be surprising that they will be beneficial in everything from mosquito bites to COVID or cancer or heart disease because what they’re doing is restoring the natural metabolism. The fibrosis in the lungs results, it’s the end product of chronic inflammation. So pneumonia caused by influenza or by smoking or by COVID virus, they all move towards the production of excess collagen and fibrosis and loss of proper lung function. 33:26 You know what it means to prune a tree? If there’s a dead end, like what you’re talking about, the fibrosis in the lungs, that was my image of that dead coral in your lungs, right? That it was so dead that it couldn’t revive because it was crystallized. Well, if you pruned that off, can you get a starter off of that? I couldn’t hear that last question. Well, in other words, I don’t know if you’ve ever done any pruning. But if you prune like exactly down to the live tissue, there are times where you can, if you catch it in the right conditions and it’s not frost and not too many honey or different kinds of wasps or something that will eat it up, you could actually get a starter growing from that live tissue. And so if the lungs, as I understand it with COVID, your lungs basically get so used up. I guess there’s an allergic reaction just causes them to die and they crystallize. 34:31 And so you end up with like dead coral in your lungs. But you usually drown off the pus before that is even an issue. And so I’m just wondering, is there any kind of food that we could eat that would revive the lungs? And if it requires kind of a nipping of the dead tissue off so that a starter could get revived, so to speak. One of the first places affected by the COVID virus, people will often get diarrhea and a cough associated with inflammation of the intestine caused by the virus, even before it appears in the lung tissue. And the inflammation of the intestine causes a variety of toxins including bacterial endotoxin to get into the system to interfere with oxidative metabolism so that you stop producing carbon dioxide at a proper rate 35:41 and start making pro-inflammatory lactic acid. And that leads to the inflammation in the lungs. So one of the basic protective things to do is to make sure your intestine is not inflamed. And so that includes avoiding any food that isn’t properly digested. And so enemas, laxatives, and fibrous foods and even antibiotics to sterilize the intestine should be a part of any major, for example, surgery. They know that patients recover more successfully from major surgery if they have disinfected and cleaned their bowel because any major trauma activates that whole systemic inflammatory process starting with leakage from the bowel. 36:45 Sure. Hey, I’ll let another caller get in, but I appreciate your effort. So really, I guess the answer to your question caller, because we do have another caller, is Dr. P is saying, which I think we can all agree with, that if you keep your intestines healthy, you keep your bowels working well, that you’ll have less inflammation in the lungs. So things like raw carrot salad, well-cooked mushrooms, taking laxatives like herbal laxatives like cascara, and eating a generally healthy diet will help keep your intestines in optimum shape, which then means you’ll be able to keep the inflammation down since that’s where a lot of the COVID and other pneumonia, cold viruses start is in the intestine. So, Michael, I think we’re ready for the next caller. And I’m going to suggest that callers, you’re all on the same line. You’re going to have trouble hearing each other. So please make a short, concise answer question and don’t try to make it short and concise. Thank you. And another caller is coming in. So caller, you are on the air. 37:51 Hello. Yeah. Hi. Where are you from? And what’s your question? Well, I’m calling from Humboldt County, and I have been in another state, and I, with a family, went and started the COVID, and I treated myself because I’m a holistic health service, with a family. Well, I’m calling from Humboldt County, and I have been in another state, and I, with a family, went and started the COVID, and I treated myself because I’m a holistic health service, with an herbal called echinacea, a golden seal extract. And I usually, usually, I use one drop of a thousand milligrams, and that protects me. I never had the COVID, and it protects me like if I go shopping and I have a little sore throat and bring you like an allergy, I take the drop. 38:59 Because even, you know, if I don’t have, if I have to go shop, I take the drop, and I can take another drop later, if I have a sore throat or an allergy, which brings my immune system, the soldiers to fight out what can happen inside. Yes, Actinique and Golden Seal are good, very good for your immune system. Did you have a question, caller? No, it’s just about that, that I, you know, have a feeling what’s going on with all the people being hurt with the COVID, and I thought, give an explanation what those medicines are like, you know, like they prove you, they can bring you back. Yes, we agree, that’s very good, we agree with that. 40:00 Okay, let’s get going. And so, you’re listening to Ask Your Herb, Dr. Cain, you can go up to 91.1 FM from now until eight o’clock, you’re invited to call in the questions, the numbers, 1-707-923-3911. Dr. Raymond Peat joining us. So Dr. Peat, until we get another caller, I just wanted to go through the cell stabilizing effects. I would look out, I think we have another caller on the air, another caller, a caller away from, and what’s your question? Good evening, I’m calling from the Outer Galaxies. My question is this, I heard at the beginning of the program some conversation about what I would identify as microbiome, and I’m going to be brief and not static. The microbiome of the gut and the ways that the gut health affects overall whole body health. I’m a sufferer of grave disease, Hashimoto syndrome, as well as hyperthyroidism. 41:06 It’s a male with the way that the pharmaceutical corporations are set up. Women are generally 84%!o(MISSING)f the time diagnosed with a hyperthyroid. Men are not. So everything in the spectrum for the pokey pokey, let’s mess around with tetra-pharmaceuticals, none of that works for me because my doctor gave me estrogen and serotonin as a mistake. My question is this, the application of black walnut tincture, that’s what I use in order to stimulate my thyroid, and I highly recommend it to anybody and everybody on the North Coast because Fukushima Daiichi is affecting everyone’s thyroid, hyperthyroidism, and hypothyroidism. Thyroid disease is on a major scale rise. I’d like to ask the clinician his opinion or her opinion about the efficaciousness of black walnut tincture and their experience with that. Thanks so much for the program. 42:11 Okay, so far as black walnut tincture is concerned, juggling is nigra. The main use for that really is an anti-parasitic. The compound juggling has definitely been shown to be toxic to certain parasites, and so that’s why it’s been used for intestinal parasites. I think it’s also been used or mentioned as a useful herb in thyroid disease because it does contain minerals like iodine and manganese. So that’s potentially why they’re talking about it, but from… Yeah, well, Dr. Pete’s not very interested in too much iodine. Right, I know, Dr. Pete, you’ve said that based upon the studies, very, very few people are low thyroid because of lack of iodine. It’s actually quite rare, and actually too much iodine is very, very thyroid-suppressive. Is that correct, Dr. Pete? Yeah, so in that sense, black walnut would not be very useful because that would probably and potentially cause an increase in iodine that would not be favorable. 43:19 Anyway, that was the feedback for black walnut as an anti-parasitic. So until we get any next quarters here, I just wanted to talk about amyviznaga, which is commonly known as Kerin, and it’s actually an excellent plant-derived mass stabilizer. So if people want to look at amyviznaga, it’s been used actually for kidney disorders, but there’s quite a lot of published research on it as a plant-derived mass cell stabilizer from which the natural products that we started listening in this show have come from. Obviously, there are natural and synthetics, but basically, we talked about the flavone groups that we mentioned here, things like APGN in the quercetin and gingatin. These things decrease the production of the pro-inflammatory cytokines, and when they talk about a cytokine storm, and that’s the last call I mentioned about the lung, the situation of the lungs, and becoming coral-like. 44:22 Well, regardless of that, the lung damage induced by the unloading of all the chemicals as part and parcel of an excitatory inflammatory response, this is what damages the tissue. And so these flavones do decrease the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines, and they decrease histamine. Okay, we do have another caller, but I did want to mention back another thing that black walnut has like a lot of nuts have, like the Brazil nuts are selenium, and that is pro-cyrate. Okay, so next caller, you’re on the airway from, what’s your question? I’m from Connecticut, and my question is, there are a lot of products out there with bioflavonoids, so you can get a supplement. And just wondering, you know, the delivery and the bioactivity in that form versus the pounding foods, you know, if there’s any particular concerns around the way they’re processed, or just the overall activity of supplement-concentrated form versus the ones that are in a sort of food matrix that we get from food. Is there anything that’s going to difference? 45:24 And is there any value of buying those supplements? Thank you. I think, as always, I mean, especially for Dr. Pete’s perspective, natural is best, and obviously fresh fruits, especially these dark, pigmented fruits, the dark berries, strawberries, blackberries, raspberries, obviously grapes, and the citrus fruits are excellent sources of these flavonoids. Plum, cherry? Yeah, yeah, but that’s not to say that flavonoid-rich supplements don’t work, I mean, I’m sure they do. It’s just a case of eating, eating for your health rather than consuming dietary supplements for your health is certainly the best way to go. Dr. Pete, what is your favorite flavonoid to use regularly? Our food source that has flavonoids in it. Oh, considering the balance of many foods also have irritating substances or things that are hard to digest and unbalance, I think these citrus juices have the best ratio of anti-inflammatory, pro-metabolic oxidation and nutrients. 46:47 The flavonoids and ascorbic acid, for example, are all pro-oxidative metabolic supports, and the juice is very low in indigestible or pro-inflammatory substances. Okay, you’re listening to Ask Your Herb. Dr. Kay, we’ve got rule 91.1 FN from now until 8 o’clock. You’re invited to call in the questions. The number is 707-923-3911. So perhaps we should probably look at the next subject, which was the natural resistance. I think we’ve covered the flavonoids and the other natural mast cells stabilizes from plant sources as good anti-inflammatories and they’re decreasing inflammatory cytokines and histamine and tumor necrosis factor and all the other interleukins. They’re all responsible for that massive inflammation and the destruction of tissue that happens as a result of the body’s natural system unloading on the cells. 47:59 So getting to natural resistance, and I wanted to again just bring up the point that you first mentioned in your kind of introduction to my questions. You mentioned iron, and then I found an article which was really very clearly identified, and I know you’ve done a specific article which is a printable article on your website about iron. It’s called Irons, Dangers, but I actually read this article here which was done not so long ago about the negative effects of iron. But we do have a couple of callers, so I just want to get the callers processed here. And if we have time, then we can go through the negative effects, the dangers of iron in terms of promoting bacterial overgrowth in the body and how these infections can become overwhelming just because there is not enough sequestration or elimination of iron. So first of all, it has similar effects on cancer development too. 49:03 Okay, let’s take these callers, Dr. Pete, and see what callers we have. Caller, that’s you. Yeah. Reubarb guy. It’s you. Thank you. I’m just quick query, plants are such a healing factor. Let me know what you think about Reubarb. What was that? Reubarb. Yes, Reubarb. Oh, at least the famous Chinese Reubarb contains chemicals very similar to cascara and Lepacho and our intrinsic ubiquin on our coenzyme Q10. So it can be used medically. I think the root has been used medically more than the rest. The stems are a tasty food, but I don’t think they have much of the curative pigment material. 50:07 This is a Chinese Reubarb, right? The re-empalmation. Yeah, I think they’re in the same family. Yeah, they are. I think that one’s re-empalmated. So what about the red color in the pink Reubarb? We just cooked them up last night. Isn’t that full of antioxidants? I suspect that it is. When you cook it down, it goes very red if you have some nice red colored Reubarb stems. I think the only negative thing to it perhaps is some of the oxalates it contains, but some spinches do the same thing. I think there’s another caller. I think there is one more caller. So let’s take this next caller if you’re there. Where are you from? What’s your question? They actually hung up. Oh, and we’re 750. So at 750, I usually say, please don’t call so that you guys can finish off getting all the information out. Yeah, well, I think we can take another caller. Okay. Number 6307-923-3911. So let’s see what we get. Okay, so Dr. Pete, you mentioned iron. 51:10 And I was looking at an article about iron’s negative effects in the blood in terms of being pro-bacterial, in terms of multiplying bacteria in the presence of iron. Yeah, some of it floats freely, dissolved in the blood plasma. And if a bacterium gets into your bloodstream, bacteria can use it to produce energy the same way we do. And so bacteria can thrive on the amount of iron normally in the blood. And the body protects itself by drastically reducing the amount of free iron circulating in the body fluids and binds it up in an oxidized form and holds it inside cells. And that’s why a blood measurement of iron can’t tell you very much by some of the measurements, but if you measure the binding capacity and the amount of bound iron in the form of transferrin saturation, 52:28 if the transferrin molecule is almost saturated with iron, that means your blood is great food for bacterial replication and overgrowth. So you want to have a fairly low, like 20 to 30%!s(MISSING)aturation is a healthy range for resistance to bacterial infection and also apparently to cancer multiplication, because iron is one of the things that cancer needs to multiply freely. And that’s one of the things I like to look at on client’s blood work we mentioned, Dr. Beat, 20%!i(MISSING)f you do an iron saturation, that’s what you’re referring to, right? Yes. Yes, because sometimes I’ll see clients with 50%!s(MISSING)aturation in their blood and they usually are not too well when they have that high a level of iron. 53:31 Yeah, partly that’s because it means that the cell isn’t oxidizing strongly enough to keep the iron strongly bound up inside cells. So it’s floating in the bloodstream and basically rusting things, right? Rusting, rusting by the body. It becomes food for invaders. Okay, so I think you’ve also mentioned, I know you’re very supportive of milk in the diet and eggs, but it was interesting that I saw an article talking about lactotransferins from milk and conalbumin from egg white as being very good at binding iron and or lowering iron in the serum. Yeah, eggs have been found to be both antibacterial and antiviral, especially in a raw form, like an eggnog. 54:38 They have found that where other forms of lecithin stimulate bacterial or viral growth, the lecithin from egg yolk has an bactericidal and viricidal effect. So this would support the kind of athlete’s recommendation of drinking a couple of eggs whisked up with the glass of milk, right? Yeah, okay, so I wanted also to mention the fact that I saw an article again which mentioned how much the serum concentration of iron is lowered during fever. And that potentially is probably one of the body’s natural responses to fever, perhaps induced by bacterial infection, and that that would be kind of an appropriate response. Yeah, and the thyroid, in good health, the thyroid is doing that all by itself, but when the body is threatened, it can go into that uncoupled, highly oxidating state, defensively, 55:52 and then when the threat is over, it can go back to relying on thyroid to maintain the high metabolic rate. Okay, we should probably leave it there because it’s 7.56 now, so thanks so much for your time again, Dr. P, and we’ll give out your details. Okay, thanks. Thank you for joining us. Okay, so for people who have listened to the show or want to listen to it later on, the Audio Archives are freely available. Go to kmud.org, go to Audio Archives, and Friday Night Talk is the name of the show. So look at the Friday Night Talks for the third Friday of each month. I think they keep two months on the list. 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