Carbon Monoxide

00:00 I’m very welcome to have Dr. Freeman Peatback on the show. And again, it astounds me where he has spent all of the years of his postdoctoral life researching. And this other subject tonight, carbon monoxide, is something that he said he was researching 30 years ago and started doing work towards better understanding of carbon monoxide and its implications in toxicology and pathogenesis of disease. So Dr. N. Peat, thanks for joining us again. There were a couple of topics that directed me towards carbon monoxide. I had previously been very interested in Otto Warburg’s theory of cancer. And one of his experiments to study the respiratory enzyme involved poisoning that enzyme with carbon monoxide. And so I was aware 01:06 that the most interesting enzyme of all happened to be specifically sensitive to carbon monoxide poisoning. And he found that light restored the activity of that enzyme. And that came back up in my attention when I was studying the toxic effects of the long northern dark winters lack of light exposure leading this enzyme susceptible to poisoning. Okay. I think without cutting you short, Dr. Peat, just the other thing that strikes me is that we get callers who have listened for the first time of this show that goes out every month and I wouldn’t want anyone listening to be deprived of getting a little bit of background information from you. So I appreciate you launching straight into the topic. Would you just give people an idea of your 02:09 academic and professional background? I went from teaching linguistics and humanities subjects right into graduate school in biology because I wanted to understand how the brain works when it does things such as making language or art and so on. So I was studying nerve biology at the beginning and I found that that was a very dogmatic area I think at every university but including the University of Oregon where I started in graduate school in 1968. And so within about six months I had switched over to the other end of the organism reproductive physiology and how aging affects that. Right. Okay. Because I think that’s another important point about this topic 03:12 that I’d like you to expand on here. Aging in the process of degeneration and cell degeneration, excuse me, is I think probably becoming more of a heard topic on people’s lips and in the papers and in magazines and in the popular press and Alzheimer’s disease being one of those neurodegenerative diseases that we’re hearing much more of nowadays to Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s and collectively that neurodegenerative collective of diseases. This is something that relates fairly intimately with carbon monoxide, doesn’t it, that there is many different processes that cause or have been shown to exacerbate the formation of Alzheimer’s in any given population. Yeah, they find that old brains in general have increased amounts of the enzyme that produces carbon monoxide in the tissues. 04:12 Any tissue can produce it, but stress increases the amount of the enzyme. And so the more stress there is, the more risk there is of poisoning itself. And not only increasing age increases the enzyme, but they find that schizophrenia brains have increased amounts of the enzyme making carbon monoxide. Alzheimer’s brains and in Parkinson’s brains in the particular area affected by the Parkinson’s disease, they see an increased amount of the enzyme. And in breaking down the heme, which is its basic purpose, it releases iron as well as carbon monoxide. And the deposits of iron are found in the Parkinson’s brain in that area. Let’s just refresh for people that who probably 05:19 want to understand this process a little more. The enzyme first off is heme oxygenase, isn’t it? Yes. And just give us a run-through of what that’s doing. It attaches oxygen atoms to the heme molecule, which is what carries oxygen in hemoglobin. And the heme molecule is what binds iron, and that in turn binds oxygen. But carbon monoxide is similar enough electrically to oxygen that it can outbind oxygen and stick to the hemoglobin in its place. So we can be exposed to carbon monoxide from external sources like burning fuel, but you’re saying that this is also happening inside our bodies and inside ourselves due to an enzyme? Yeah, it’s just the only way the body 06:23 has to get rid of unused or inappropriately released hemoglobin. Anytime a tissue is injured and leaks blood, the hemoglobin is potentially very toxic in itself. And so the detoxified this hemoglobin, which would act as an enzyme, just wildly consuming oxygen, the enzyme is there in every injured tissue that tends to bleed or release heme to destroy the heme and turn it into things that can be recycled, such as the iron atom and the carbons from the molecule. So this enzyme has a function in damaged tissue to help mop up the waste products, but in certain brain situations like we’ve been describing Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s, 07:25 it’s in excess amounts. Yeah, apparently because of chronic stress and another brain situation in which they find that exactly associated with the problematic cells in the brain, multiple sclerosis in the plaques, they find increased amounts of the enzyme making carbon monoxide. And about 20 years ago, I had gotten away from the cancer carbon monoxide connection for several years, because I couldn’t find anyone willing to listen to the idea that it was such a neat idea to explain how the barberg cancer theory works. But I came back to it in the 90s, applying it to multiple sclerosis, because the symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning are 08:30 very similar to those of multiple sclerosis. Well, clots tend to form in the brain, and every place there’s a clot, the blood vessels become leaky, and proteins leak out into the brain and are part of the inflammatory process. And the carbon monoxide activates those same processes, tendency to clot, a definite tendency of blood vessels to become leaky, and let things inappropriately seep out, so that anytime you have a situation of leaky blood vessels, inferred liver, for example, leaking its enzymes, inflamed muscles leaking enzymes and proteins, heart attack leaking its substances, you find hemoxidinase and carbon monoxide there making 09:33 the cells more permeable and leaky. Am I right in thinking that carbon monoxide is actually produced by tumors too? Yeah, and in transplanting a tumor into an animal, they found that it had many toxic effects on animal. For years they talked about a toxic hormone or a cancer hormone, and in one set of experiments they gave a chemical to the animal receiving the tumor implant, a chemical that would inhibit hemoxidinase and stop the formation of carbon monoxide, and to stop the toxic effects of the transplant. Because I think we can get into that a little bit later on. They’re looking at, this is potential research, but you can see some pitfalls in some of the approach that they want to use. So is that for a potential anti-cancer treatment? 10:36 Yeah, there are several groups working on it. They can stop cancer growth like for a week at a time with an infection of one of the chemicals that just turns off, hemoxidinase, and they’re designing many chemicals that will do it. For example, reverse structure RNA molecules that interfere with the production of the enzyme very specifically. So then this would have possible clinical applications with Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s as well, then if it’s actually turning off that enzyme. Yeah, all of the degenerative stress-related diseases, cancer and the brain aging. Atherosclerosis. And arthritis involves excess carbon monoxide too. Okay, so let’s go back for the benefit of the listeners using, listening to this program right 11:38 now who perhaps don’t have the same kind of scientific background so they can understand a little more about hemoxidinase. You mentioned that this enzyme hemoxidinase is part of our body and every cell has the ability to utilize or break down rather the products of hemoglobin into, you mentioned iron and carbon monoxide and then there’s a pigment called bilirubin. So this is happening, our blood cells are turning over every 90 days and the spleen mops up these blood cells constantly breaking down the red blood cell into byproducts like the hemoglobin and carbon monoxide and bilirubin 24-7. So this is the process that is happening in our bodies anyway. But what’s the mechanism behind which we’re protected from the carbon monoxide? Well one design feature is that having it all happen in the spleen keeps it away from your brain and heart and reproductive 12:41 organs and so on. What about those people who perhaps have had a spenectomy and it’s been taken out or it’s been ruptured or damaged so they don’t have one? I don’t know exactly what the consequences are but you would think that it would expose their other tissues more to the effects of chronic stress. What about when someone has like an enlarged spleen then are they just able to do that much better or because usually enlarged spleens are indicating liver disease or other problems? Yeah I imagine that as long as it’s confined to the spleen that’s the main purpose of the organ is to keep it happening somewhere that the carbon monoxide has a chance to diffuse away in the bloodstream before it gets to the organs. The main purpose of the talk and this discussion is that propane if it’s burnt incompletely and the byproducts of that incomplete combustion are 13:52 carbon monoxide and environmental pollution from traffic exhaust, high in carbon monoxide, that’s basically what we’re looking at smoking yeah is another good example of carbon monoxide exposure. And even wood smoke too right Dr. P? Yeah a bad stove or fireplace can put out a huge amount of carbon monoxide and even if you have a perfectly adjusted gas stove if you put a cold pan down on the burner so that the flame touches it cooling the flame is going to make it release carbon monoxide. So tell me you had a recent encounter or somebody you were consulting with someone and they were lucky enough to get their hands on a good carbon monoxide meter so just talk about that a little. They were all having symptoms and they noticed that they were 14:54 worse in the winter when the house was tightly closed up and they happen to have access to a very sensitive meter that would measure down to a few parts per million and found that just 15 minutes of having the stove on the burners were producing 15 parts per million and the oven 29 parts per million 18 and 29 and in it’s a matter of how long you keep breathing it because if it fluctuates then you have a chance to breathe it out as well as breathe it in and in one particular experiment with rats they expose the rats to the supposedly upper safe limit for human exposure which is what? In cities 50 parts per million and in just one hour of exposure the 16:01 rats’ brains were structurally damaged. So were they getting little infarcts or some other kind of damage? No much less than that. Small cellular changes. Right so it was the beginning of something better something worse. And that’s what you mentioned is the level in a lot of cities right? Fifteen parts per million. Yeah it comes and goes but they saw permanent changes in prolonged exposure to even lower amounts in the animals 30 parts per million for example. So the average housewife who spends all her time cooking over the stove no sorry that’s not the average housewife. It could be exposed to a lot more than healthy levels because gas stoves could be emitting a large quantity of carbon monoxide. Yeah and the symptoms are very rarely associated with carbon monoxide poisoning because that’s thought of as. You traditionally think of the person who’s shut 17:02 himself in a garage with a rubber pipe coming out of their exhaust pipe into the garage right? Yeah and for many years doctors thought only in terms of the blood being saturated with carbon monoxide and not being able to deliver oxygen to the tissues but the carbon monoxide goes right into all of the tissues and we’ve got many many enzymes that use heme. It isn’t just the blood and myoglobin but for example the steroids the enzymes that make steroids use the heme group. And so the most intense symptom of getting your tissue saturated is you poison the energy producing enzyme but very moderate amounts of chronic poisoning will shut down your ability 18:04 to produce steroids so that the testosterone level for example falls with chronic carbon monoxide poisoning but interestingly the adrenal corticosteroids are increased under the simulation because the adrenals are designed to recognize a stress emergency situation which carbon monoxide is but the actual enzymes that produce the bulk of steroids are blocked by carbon monoxide. Okay you’re listening to Ask Your Robe Dr. on KMU-D Carboval 91.1 FM and from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o’clock you’re invited to call in with any questions either related or unrelated to this month’s topic of carbon monoxide. The number here if you live in the area is 923-3911 or if you live outside the area 1-800-KMU-D RAD. Okay so we’re joined by 19:06 Dr. Raymond Peake and he’s explaining some of the mechanisms behind carbon monoxide poisoning and we’re just covering some of the some of the sources of which perhaps we probably haven’t really considered that much so I think the the thing with stoves the cook stoves I never really I mean I always recognize the fact that a poorly adjusted flame was probably the main cause of carbon monoxide emission from propane burning appliances and that the presence of an orangey type flame rather than a blue or a kind of violet flame was indicative and then soot and that kind of thing sooty deposits around the nozzle were pretty diagnostic of incomplete combustion but you’re saying that if you can put a pan of water a cold pan of water on the stove actually on the burner there’s sufficient cooling there to cool the flame to the point where there could be there will be incomplete combustion and carbon monoxide generated. Yeah and typically you see a little bit 20:07 of the flame turning yellow over it. Right exactly and I think we’ve all seen that. Yeah I’ve seen that but the other point about this carbon monoxide emissions from propane stoves is that people’s houses are becoming more and more airtight. I know our house is very airtight so it’s you know maybe the older drafty houses a little bit leaking out of your stove but it was diluted with plenty of wind. Plenty of air. So do you think we’re going to see more Alzheimer’s now Dr. Pete continue Well we are seeing it’s coming from propane stoves or not. The first symptoms are often so light people just think they have chronic cold or sometimes people get anxious or depressed. Some people have crawling sensations on their skin. Muscle cramps, heart arrhythmia. Practically any 21:15 symptom you can think of it’s well known as a sign of carbon monoxide poisoning but it’s just very rare for anyone to think of it when they have symptoms. Or what about those heaters that you see in a lot of people’s houses. Space heaters also. Yeah that are actually gas powered heaters. I guess maybe they’re more popular in England than they are here. Yeah a lot of people used to have them even without vents. Well these ones in England people that people have in a house don’t have any vents. It’s in the front room radiating heat. Yeah the same as a gas cooking stove. Another thing to cover too is the government regulations concerning the presence of carbon monoxide detectors in houses now. I think probably for a few years they always first things it was smoke detectors and then it was carbon monoxide detectors. Describe briefly because I’ve seen the limits and the 22:16 statutory regulations, government regulations and industry regulations that have set these limits. Just describe them for us a little bit. Years ago I bought one of the cheap meters and was testing it around various things and nothing would register and so I put it in the garage with the cart running and left it for I guess half an hour and still nothing happened. It wasn’t strong enough. I learned that the government requires or the industry and government requires that they not sound an alarm unless the concentration is reaching the life-threatening point and so if it’s a low level below 50 parts per million one of the standards says it has to stay at that concentration for 48 hours steadily before the alarm comes out. So what would that do to your brain if you had a 50 parts 23:23 per million steadily for 24 hours 48 hours? Yeah I think they require the alarm to sound after something like 30 to 60 minutes of a 50 part per million concentration. They’ve got the charts published but it’s definitely not a healthy concentration but they don’t want you bothering the fire department any time you’re just getting a burst of 70 parts per million because it won’t kill you soon. Or complaining to your range manufacturer. Yeah. So what about this meter that you said is very very sensitive. What’s the name of this meter? I have seen it on the internet. I don’t know the brand. One company that makes them is Kid or Kiddy KIDTE. Oh right they’re manufacturers of smoke alarms too. I think it was their company that had one for $340 that actually registered 24:30 down in parts per million which is exactly useful because. Right and in real time. Yeah. You want to know for example if you breathe out a healthy person will make less than one part per million exhalation. If they’re very sick and under stressed under stress they might go up to five parts per million just from their internal production. I know I’m pretty sure we have a caller on the line but let’s give it a give it a couple of seconds here because it’s not 730 yet and I want to make sure that we can keep covering more material. The thing that struck me earlier when I was looking at some of this was that smoking exposes a smoker to about 500 parts per million carbon monoxide from a cigarette. Yeah in that little stream. Right. So let’s try to be comparative here and in terms of incomplete combustion from a propane stove and you said 28 parts per million for the 25:34 oven and 18 for the. If you had that concentration of the cigarette in your room error you would be dead pretty quick. That’s 500 parts per million. Yeah because you’re breathing quarts of air for every puff of smoke. Right. So it’s very diluted. So what do you think what would that wonder about a quart to a puff would work out as a concentration. Probably 30 40 50 somewhere around that. So standing around your oven could be just as bad as smoking cigarettes. Definitely in some houses. If the. Well adjusted. Let’s take this first quarter if there’s still there. Hi you’re on the air. Hello. Hi. Oh can barely hear you. OK. Well I can hear you. OK good. Go ahead. Question for Raymond Pete. Probably two or a couple. But I recall a couple years ago he was talking about 26:39 he had something with thyroid and staying off clear oils and he was curing liver people with liver problems. Say he had cirrhosis or hepatitis or something. Yeah. That’s true. Yeah. What would be your question. What was it again. The the. What oil. Something about thyroid. And I’d like to know what to refurbish my my memory from my mind is as to what is what was he recommended as a liver cleanse. And I recall that it was something with thyroid medicines. No clear oils. Coconut and butter only. And no alcohol or some blah blah blah. OK. Dr. P. did you get. Did you catch that. Yeah. The thyroid is the essential thing for energizing the burning of any fuel. And if your thyroid 27:40 function is low your liver is is in a way the first organ to feel it because the liver stores sugar. And if you’re wasting energy your liver fails to store sugar and and becomes inefficient eventually. Right. Fibrodic and so on. People with thyroid. I knew a woman in New York. She she went from really real thin to super fat. So she had her thyroid gland removed. And she had an awful scar in her throat. Didn’t help her at all. But anyway I’m not overweight or anything. It’s just that I’m a I’ve had hepatitis in the past and I’m afraid I may you know I used to drink for you know over twenty years all day long. So I’m wondering how I can. What is this thyroid medicine called. It’s. There are two main chemicals that are called the thyroid hormone. One is thyroxin. And the 28:47 other one is T3 or triiodofyrinine. And the traditional product was just dried thyroid gland. And you actually take the gland itself. Yeah. People used to eat the whole animal. I heard he’s on the radio. So maybe four years ago now and you’re saying take thyroid. It’s like gee I don’t have any thyroid glands in my refrigerator. What is this guy talking about. In England you can still go to the butcher and they’re called they call them sweetbreads and they’re thymus and thyroid gland. Sweetbreads. OK. That’s swell. But see I haven’t eaten meat since I was like 17. Well you can’t get here anyways. It’s just a factoid if I bring up. OK. OK. So I have a long story story and long story short. What should I do here. The main dietary things that suppress the thyroid function are the polyunsaturated fatty acids. And that’s why I’ve mentioned the importance of saturated fats such as coconut oil and butter and sugar as a way to make your own fat to avoid 29:54 the dietary oils such as safflower, soy, corn oil and so on which are anti thyroid. So those are all the oil. So in other words I don’t really necessarily my I’m sure my thyroid is probably functioning just fine. I was sneaking suspicion. I mean are you Dr. Ray Pete. Are you the guy on the Internet. I was trying to get hold of where it’s a photo of you and you look like all like you’ve been working out or something. Is that you. No. I’m like this could not be my guys. This does not sound like Ray Pete to me. But there’s another Ray. I spoke to you on the Internet of several years ago but I can’t find you anymore on the Internet. Well his website is raype.com. R-A-Y-P-E-A-T dot com. Right okay groovy. Yeah so it’s all the liquid oils. So it wasn’t that you remembered correctly everything apart from it was liquid oils not clear oils. All liquid oils yeah liquid oils avoiding all liquid oils only do butter and coconut oil. And then I have to lay off alcohol 30:59 completely. Any kind of drugs crap shit stuff part of my language and adequate protein. My policy is if you swear on there I take you off. So we have one more caller waiting now. Okay one one more caller. You’re on the air. Hello. Hi. Hi. I had a question about something Dr. Peter brought up before. He was talking about hypothyroid and how it can be improved in like warm sunny weather. I’m just wondering is that beneficial because it’s temporarily like masking the symptoms or if that has a long term corrective effect on the thyroid. Just getting warm lowers the stress hormones and so it gives your body a chance to recover. But if you haven’t changed your diet that was causing the problem then cold weather or other stress will tend to bring back the 32:07 hypothyroidism. But isn’t it also that the decreased daylight hours Dr. Pete make your thyroid hormone less able to be picked up by yourselves? Yeah the mitochondria that I was talking about the toxic effects of darkness. The thyroid is trying to keep those mitochondria functioning and during the darkness the various toxins including carbon monoxide interrupt the function of the mitochondrion and that means it blocks the function of the thyroid. But if you increase your thyroid you can compensate a little bit for that disruption during the darkness. In animal experiments they found that removing a rat’s thyroid gland they would have to give four times as much supplement in the winter as in the summer because of the increased 33:13 stress of the dark days. And when I tested it on myself it was exactly four times requirement difference according to the season. And if you asked your doctor they wouldn’t recommend that you increase your thyroid medication four times in the winter months versus the summer. So something that you have to follow your own symptoms. Right so it’s almost as if the thyroid is being wasted on trying to help the mitochondria when you’re getting less light I guess. Like you’re producing a similar amount it’s just being wasted on trying to keep your energy up with these stressors. Yeah it does spend more of the thyroid substance and get it thrown off but if you have your tissue well saturated with the safe nutrients rather than the 34:14 dangerous polyunsaturated oils your mitochondria are much tougher. They’ve found that you can remove the mitochondria from an animal that hasn’t had those unsaturated fats and mitochondria survive in the test tube much longer and are more vigorous. So it’s the polyunsaturated fats that make the mitochondria so susceptible to injury. Do you think Dr. Pete that this is because of the the lipid membrane that the mitochondria is surrounded by is made up of saturated oils that don’t oxidize like polyunsaturates and that’s why they last long? The very structure you can extract all of the fat from a cell and you still have the mitochondrial structuring in shape because it’s mostly protein that gives the structure and those proteins are tightly interacting with fats and a lot of those are unsaturated 35:23 so if you get too many unsaturated ones they oxidize and damage the proteins so it’s the mixture of protein and fat. And just to explain for our listeners who might not have heard of mitochondria before that’s what we call the powerhouse of our cell it’s what produces energy so without mitochondria you’d have no energy you wouldn’t be alive but it’s actually the part of the cell that makes all your energy and thyroid hormone helps bring oxygen to the cell and helps to activate the mitochondria so it’s all linked to having a cell function properly. Thyroid and adequate oxygen and the mitochondria producing the energy called ATP. And adequate light is part of it. Okay all right thanks for that call. That reminds me we’ve got one more call but quickly let me let me just ask you this Dr. Pete. I know you mentioned Otto Warburg in 1926 and his work on cancer and defective respiratory enzymes. 36:27 You said that when these when these animals had been poisoned with carbon monoxide the animals could recover completely if they were and I’ve we’ve and you’ve mentioned this many times before in context of radiation and other damaging substances but these animals could be restored basically by having this bright orange light in this instance there’s red work too but orange light shined on them they they could be re reactivated if you like. Warburg was just using tissues isolated from animals but Russians were the ones who used whole animals and they would give them a killing dose of gamma rays and if they very quickly and within an hour flooded them with red light it inactivated the effects of the radiation to it. It wasn’t the radiation itself it was a cascade of chemical events that could be interrupted by the red light 37:33 and when you get sunburned part of that cascade of events is the production of carbon monoxide. All right so it was Otto Warburg did tissues he was experimenting with tissues rather than animals. Okay we have another caller on the line so let’s take the next caller. Hello. You’re on the air. Oh thank you. I wanted to go back to that the topic of the polyunsaturated fats and I wondered if they seed chickens for example even organic ones lots of say cotton seed meal or something even if it’s organic are we eating organic protein in a chicken or beef or anything even if if they’ve been raised on grains and everything are we getting a secondary exposure to a lot of polyunsaturated fats? Yeah any animal that isn’t a ruminant will express in its tissues pretty exactly the balance of fats in its food and that 38:42 includes people and pigs and chickens and ducks and geese and turkeys yeah but sheep and cows and camels for example will produce milk that has almost about 98%!o(MISSING)f the bad fats have been destroyed by bacteria in their rumens so that it’s 98%!m(MISSING)onounsaturated or saturated or the trans fat variations of conjugated linoleic acid for example which is actively being sold as an anti-cancer weight loss agent but you find it naturally in butter and milk and also that would include venison elk antelope mule deer moose and all those animals 39:45 have a fats that congeal at room temperature. They have ruminant processes because they have more than one stomach to digest and to convert to fat. But when you see chickens they have such soft almost runny fat these days. Right because it’s very polyunsaturated because they’re eating corn and soy meal. It’s the same with a pig fat. When my grandmother used it it was a solid like butter and even most researchers have been calling it a saturated fat now for 50 years and a couple years ago someone bothered to analyze it and found that it was 30%!(NOVERB) poofa. Wow. We just um and we had some friends who butchered a pig that was fed mostly apples and vegetables from the farm green waste from their farm and they had a 70 pound pig and 30 pounds of it was fat and 40 pounds of it was meat and it was all solid. So that would be 40:47 like good quality lard. Yeah that would be exactly that’s where your lard would come from for baking pastries and other that’s the way to make good eggs to feed them lots of vegetable matter. Right because the sugars will cause the animals to make saturated fat so if you feed you know your animals your excess fruit in the fall which is what was happening with this pig then then they’ll tend to make saturated fat out of that sugar. Well thank you for your answers that’s very interesting thank you. You’re very welcome. Thank you for your call. Right. Okay so we have another caller on the end so let’s take this next one. Hello. Hi you’re on the air. Yeah um uh you know uh people are uh can you hear me? Yes. Okay uh people tend to be really skittish about butter uh you know I hear all the time people saying oh I mustn’t eat butter because I’m afraid of the cholesterol and it’s going to clog my arteries and give me a heart attack and yet you guys are always talking about 41:47 how butter is good for you. What’s with all that? Dr. Pete and we’ve gone through this several times. This brainwashing. Yeah exactly it’s just hard to overcome. For example I wanted to sell margarine. A researcher in India noticed that in his area where people eat a lot of butter uh alcoholics had didn’t get hepatitis and cirrhosis and so he did the study with rats and fed them butter and lots of alcohol and they didn’t get hepatitis and cirrhosis and a group has been researching that uh now for about 25 years uh showing that fish oil and unsaturated vegetable oil interact with a little bit of alcohol to activate iron causing oxidative damage liver inflammation and fibrosis but if you have practically an unsaturated fat free diet 42:57 alcohol is really pretty harmless. And didn’t they do that study in Chicago as well 30 years ago you told me about? Yeah Nanji is the name of of the main researcher and Anji. Okay you’re listening to ask your doctor on KMD Garberville 91.1 FM and from now on to eight o’clock at the end of the show you’re invited to call in with any questions related or unrelated to the month’s topic of carbon monoxide poisoning and its various ramifications. A number it’s like I said if you live here it’s 93 3911 or if you live outside the area 1800 KMUD rad and we have Dr. Raymond Pete with us um and he’s the person who’s behind all the science so if you would like to ask him any questions now’s your chance. We do have another caller on the air so let’s get this next caller. Hi you’re on the air. Hi is it on the air? Yes go ahead. Hello? Yeah can you hear me? I’m not hearing anyone. Okay we can hear you. 44:02 You should be there are you there caller? Yes. Yes you’re on the air. Hello caller can you hear us? Yes I can now. Yes I had a question. I’ve had quintuple bypass surgery and I was introduced to a diet called the Dean Ornish Diet and in that diet it it it claims that you know fat is good for you in limitations but saturated fat itself is no good at all and that you should steer away from any saturated fat. So and again again I realize you’ve addressed this numerous times you just mentioned that with the last caller but is there is there something that I’m just so confused at this point you know it’s a Dean Ornish Diet from my understanding is basically a vegetarian diet although he does call for the fat from the you 45:06 know from fish to be added to that diet but beyond that it’s a no meat no dairy diet. Dr. P what would you have to say? That there is now a lot of stuff on the internet. Chris Masterjohn for example has some very good review articles dealing with topics like that. I’ve got a couple articles on cholesterol on my website. Okay so Chris Masterjohn if the caller heard that you should google Chris Masterjohn and then Masterjohn and then Dr. Raymond Pete’s website is www.raypeatrypeat.com and he has a lot of articles there that you can read that might explain some of the confusion. But he specifically said he has articles on cholesterol specifically and basically research has shown that if you’re eating the unsaturated fatty acids those go rancid in your bloodstream 46:12 and damage your arteries and then your body needs to stop that massive free radical reaction where it’s consuming oxygen and going rancid and so your body puts a cholesterol bandage over the rancid oil so Japanese scientists have found when they remove that cholesterol bandage they find a plaque of oxidized omega-6 oils and there’s lots of research showing that this is actually what causes damage to the arteries and it’s not at all saturated fats because saturated fats are so stable and would not create a free radical reaction like that. Okay I think we have two more callers on the air so let’s take the next caller you on the air. Yeah I’m calling back because when I asked about cholesterol you talked about alcohol and liver and what I want to know is about specifically butter is butter bad for your arteries and your cholesterol or not? A lot of people are very afraid to eat butter because they think it’s going to clog their arteries. 47:13 What’s the reality? Okay did you want to answer that Dr. B? Yeah the same thing that applies to the liver applies exactly to the arteries except the arteries are the first place that the unsaturated oxidized fats will injure they come out of your… I understand that it’s bad to do this to the unsaturated fats but why do people think that butter and you know and animal fat is going to clog their arteries? Because of 50 years of propaganda from the seed oil industry basically. So you’re basically saying that unsaturated fat will clog your arteries quicker than butter? Yeah exactly and when it’s when the seed oil industry was unable to sell their oils to the paint companies and that because the paint companies started buying their oils from the petroleum industry they needed to market their corn and soy oil to humans because 48:17 there was no other market for it and that’s when Mr. Missoula would drink a cup of corn oil and say it’s great stuff that lowers your cholesterol and he unfortunately died at a very young age of a heart attack so it cost such an arterial blockage but basically they needed to sell their oils and they boycotted all tropical oils the palm and the coconut oils which will not cause heart attacks and promoted corn oil and there you have it now. Who said olive oil? Olive oil is only 90 percent only 10%!p(MISSING)olyunsaturated and 90%!m(MISSING)ono unsaturated so it is not going to block your arteries like the other liquid oils but of course you wouldn’t want to use it in excessive amounts because it still is 10%!p(MISSING)olyunsaturated. So you’re saying that butter is the healthiest or a coconut oil? Butter, coconut, palm. Okay thank you. And saturated fats from animals like beef and lamb. Okay thanks for your call. We have another caller on the edge. Let’s get this next one. 49:19 Yes hi George from Kentucky. Hey George thanks for joining us from Kentucky. My question is twofold. I’ve been reading about black tourmaline or organites as being helpful or effective against EMF and I was curious to know what you felt was helpful or protective in fighting against EMF. Okay George. Are those like those beads that you can put on the end of your cable? Is that what you’re talking about? No black tourmaline is a stone. He’s not talking about the antenna blockers. No that’s a different compound. That’s graphene or not graphene. I think it’s graphite. It’s a crystal. Dr. P for a laptop you know with the electromagnetic field you get the you know a harmful electromagnetic field so I was curious if you felt the crystals were effective in blocking that. No it takes something that is basically covering the space between you 50:25 and the source geometrically something that is a small area just can’t catch a broad emission coming at you. So it’s like they have these things called block socks for your cell phone so the the side of your cell phone that has an antenna that radiates to get its signal. If you put that block sock it has this metal barrier next to your body and the phone faces out then it’s not going to be penetrating you the same ways if you didn’t have that block sock. So I guess just to reiterate how how do we exactly protect ourselves from EMF of the laptop computer then? I’m sorry I didn’t quite follow. I understood the analogy for her cell phone but I didn’t quite understand for a laptop. Just think of it as light that’s coming from your computer or whatever and if the light is touching some important part of your body 51:30 the rays whatever they are microwaves are going to be following the line of sight so you need something basically as big as the object emitting to catch the radiation. I see okay so would you suggest like would you suggest it’s placing the laptop on on a table or a surface and not obviously using it on top of your lap on a pillow or something like that? Yeah the lap is not a good place to keep a radiant source. Potentially you see you could use an external keyboard on your laptop and then put the laptop underneath the table or in a slot like that to block the EMF from the laptop and then use a monitor also connected to your laptop. You could just use your laptop as the processor. And you can get a little EMF monitor and you can see on your laptop it reads danger and six inches away it doesn’t pick up any 52:32 EMF. I mean that’s a real rough crude monitor you can buy at the hardware store but you know keep it as far away from your body as possible basically. All right excellent well thank you all I appreciate your help. Thank you for your call. Okay I don’t know if there’s anybody else waiting okay so we’re getting very close to the top of the hour anyway so. We could make a connection between the connections about the unsaturated fat and the fact that fish oil happens to be one of the very best activators of the hemooxygenase which makes carbon monoxide and in proportion to how polyunsaturated the fat is it activates the production of carbon monoxide. So if someone had Alzheimer’s then they’re taking fish oil it’s a really bad combination. Yeah and it’s the kind of thing that I would imagine most of the industry is telling you is good for Alzheimer’s and good for chronic obstructive lung disease and things like atrial fibrillation and other cardiovascular 53:40 disorders bizarre. We have one quick question about horse meat is that good or bad? It depends on what the horse is eating but it’ll reflect exactly what the horse ate so it’s very likely to be fairly unsaturated unless in some countries they feed them for example dates were a major food in Iraq and they would have a very saturated fat if they ate dates. Okay so let’s wrap the show up by giving people some of your contact details Dr. Pete. Thanks so much for joining us again. Okay thank you. Okay so Dr. Raymond Pete he’s been working on many things surrounding current what are becoming very current health topics and the polyunsaturated rules of one of his mainstays but he’s done lots of research into things that are surrounding cancer treatment. 54:40 So his website is www.raypeach.com. There’s lots of articles there that you can go and browse many of what they’re all fully referenced some are quite difficult to get into because they’re very scientific but there’s lots of information in there that most people will find the truth of behind. Thank you for joining us. My name’s Sarah Murray. My name’s Andrew Murray.