Coronavirus Part 2

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It’s best to be on topic when you call into a special purpose talk show, however. Speaking of special purpose talk shows, we’ve got Ask Your Herb Doctor. 02:45 Welcome to this month’s Ask Your Herb Doctor. My name’s Andrew Murray. My name’s Sarah Johanneson Murray. This is the May 15th, 2020 edition of the show. And for those people who haven’t tuned into the show before, it’s a third Friday of the month live call-in show from 7 to 8 p.m. And we’re both licensed medical herbalists with a degree in herbal medicine. We manufacture and produce herbal tinctures and do dietary supplementation consultations. The radio shows have been running here for probably the last 16 years, and our very esteemed colleague, friend, mentor, Dr. P, has been joining us for the last 12 years, I think 03:50 now, or 10 years at least. It’s 10 to 11 years. Yes, 2008, I think. 2008. Okay, so first of all, it’s Dr. P. Are you with us? Yes. Okay, well, thanks so much for your time. Before I kind of get into the meat of the show this evening, for those people who may have never heard your name or read any of your work, would you just give an outline of your academic and professional background? Yeah, my graduate school in biology was 1968 to 72, majoring in physiology and biochemistry and doing a dissertation on reproductive aging and oxidative metabolism. Before that, I was in a humanities master’s degree with a thesis on William Blake, for example, and taught many humanities courses before specializing in biology. 04:55 I’m not sure I’ve ever really come across anybody quite as prodigious in terms of their writing and their work, looking at information that you want to be more objective about rather than taking just the news for the news is sake, and I know we’ll get in later on into a little bit of the war on fake news, quote, unquote, but your work has always been seeking to get the truth from the situation and they’ve always coined that phrase, you know, whilst truth is getting their shoelaces on, the lie has already got around the world. I think we had our show back in March, we missed April’s, but the March show was kind of the beginning of the ramping up of the coronavirus here in the US, and March’s show kind of brought out some of the truth or some of the lies or some of the conspiracies, if you like, because at that point in time, we didn’t know as much as we do now with the 05:57 data that’s coming out, and that’s something that I want to get into in terms of the numbers and the relevance and the statistics, the lies and the damn statistics as it were, but I wanted to, why is it at the beginning of the show, with some of the failings of the understanding of the coronavirus and its mortality for some people, and back in April, we didn’t have our show, but we’ve got a good friend who’s a liver surgeon and he actually was doing some work down at Los Angeles at one of the hospitals there, and he was saying that he had not seen the type of lung damage that he had seen, and he was kind of concerned, obviously he’s a medical professional, he was very concerned about it, and he mentioned to us a couple of procedures that he said he was going to bring forward as a point to discuss, to see whether or not that would be a relative treatment, and I actually split 07:01 whilst looking at today’s show and the outline and the information around those things we’re going to talk about. I wanted to discuss some of these things and run them by you. I know that the whole ventilator, lack of ventilator issue has been something that’s been a political hot potato here, and what I actually found is that ventilation actually may be a large part of the problem. He mentioned this, the liver surgeon friend, he mentioned ECMO, which is a extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, he said it was used in other situations where the heart and the lungs needed to be given rest, just like patients on life support machine would be put on life support and therefore they wouldn’t have to do the physical demanding hard work of breathing and pumping their blood because most patients in that critical state just don’t have the 08:03 energy for it, and so he brought out that he was going to talk about ECMO as a possible procedure, and then when I started looking at some of the articles surrounding a very impassioned video that a New York emergency physician called Dr. Cameron Kyle Seidel spoke on for six minutes just about the problems that they were having in the critical care section that he was running, and that patients were just dying on ventilators, and the concept of the disease, the clinical picture, the radiographic picture that looked like a pneumonia was not responding to the treatment that would typically be used in place for pneumonia, and that actually most patients were dying from ventilation, and you’ve always mentioned that the blood oxygen saturation that most people can measure with a finger monitor at 09:05 home and which are monitored in any admittance to a hospital, you know, your blood oxygen is measured and it’s typically around 98 or 99%! (MISSING)You’ve always said that anything down to 90 is not a problem and that you have always been an advocate for preventing, you know, possible oxygenation of a patient because they’re at 90 or 92, you say it’s unnecessary, and I tend to agree with you on that basis that the doctor in New York said that some people that were being admitted had a blood oxygen of down to 40, and what was puzzling him the most was that they weren’t in a state of delirium, they didn’t have a racing heart, they didn’t have any of the symptoms of the shock of having such low blood oxygen, and that because it was a policy to use ventilators, and I’ll bring this out a little later how 10:05 the hospitals are being paid for this process, that these patients were actually dying rather than being sustained, and that there are several other methods for treating people with very low blood oxygen levels that are part and parcel of the, you know, the kind of complications of COVID when people get into a serious, you know, life and death situation with it. So I wanted to talk to you about ventilation and what’s your perception on that being a problem with people is? I saw one doctor recently on the internet saying, I think he said 92%!s(MISSING)aturation was the level at which they would stuff a tube into the patients, and that happens to be the percent that I like to keep myself at as much as possible. I think it’s a sign of relaxation 11:06 using your oxygen efficiently, but I suspect that there are lots of mistakes being made just in measuring blood oxygen. Your mention of the ECMO, it can be the solution if it’s done vein to vein, but when they involve an artery, the amount of invasion to connect a machine to arterial blood is so damaging that they have a very high mortality rate. A doctor in Germany, Gottinoni, advocates using only a nasal cannula to give oxygen, and he’s very conventional in using just oxygen, no carbon dioxide, but he compared two hospitals in Germany, one doing the thing 12:15 that everyone is recommending in the US and Europe, a tube of forced respiration, and they, that hospital doing everything standard had a 60%!m(MISSING)ortality rate in the intensive care, and the hospital that was trying his method, just a nasal cannula, had 0%!m(MISSING)ortality both in Germany, in the same city, not far apart. If that is a general thing that the tremendous mortality of one survey found that 88%!o(MISSING)f the hospitals they checked, 88%!o(MISSING)f the patients were dying in the intensive care unit in the group that they surveyed, so some hospitals had 13:20 100%!m(MISSING)ortality in the intensive care when they ventilated them, but 88%!i(MISSING)s a horrible success rate. Until the 1940s, a mixture of carbon dioxide and oxygen was available for fire department resuscitation and for hospital use, but theories, unsupported theories of how respiration worked, knocked that out so that it’s very rare in the hospital now to see the use of carbon dioxide or to even question the idea of pumping oxygen in, for example, they give stroke patients hyperventilation often for the purpose of shrinking brain blood vessels to reduce pressure, 14:20 and a few people over the last 50 years have been pointing out that what all hospitals practically are doing is biologically irrational, toxic, destroying the lungs, damaging the brain, and so on. The article was saying how sensitive and how fragile the membranes, the membranes of the alveoli were particularly fragile, some of the most fragile membranes in the body, and that to force some of any pressure, oxygen and or mixed oxygen into that is really very unscientific and irrational, and that what you said a moment ago kind of hits it now on the head that it’s not until these kind of things happen and that thinking people start to question the regular approach that they’ve been told is the standard medical care, it’s not until they question it because they 15:22 see people dying that anything happens, it just takes death, and this particular doctor basically was almost in tears, I can tell how emotionally he was about it, and he’s just seeing people just dying left and right, and he’s saying that there’s hundreds of thousands of people who are just basically worldwide dying because no one’s paying any attention to the fact that these people don’t need forced mechanical ventilations in most of the cases, rather than as you mentioned the things like the nasal cannula where they just the oxygen just flows there close to the nose and people breathe as normally, and then mentioned also the the pruning and getting patients lying on their stomach, and this is really only for people that are presenting with dramatically low oxygen and ultimately they’re in a really bad critical state, but that laying flat on your stomach and then having a nasal cannula here, they said they bought the oxygen levels from 40%!u(MISSING)p to 80 to 90%!(NOVERB) which is quite acceptable and made the patients feel much more, much safer and much less anxious 16:29 and critical. And even putting them in a prone posture rather than supine, make a big difference? Yeah, and the few doctors who have mentioned the oddity of the type of what some are calling pneumonia, the ground glass appearance, there is definitely water in the lungs, but in a distributed widespread way, not in pockets like an infection would cause, and that some people have been observing exactly that, but in sepsis and stress, trauma, any kind of serious trauma that can lead to an absorption of endotoxin will cause shock lungs, they call it, or wet lung. The lung fills up with water just from stress and trauma, so the virus can have very little 17:39 to do with the so-called pneumonia, or the virus is known to infect several organs including the intestine, and so if it starts in the intestine, they might not find anything in the nose and lung, but the intestine can be thoroughly infected, leading to sepsis and wet lung. What do you think about this? They also mentioned the last kind of treatment approach for oxygenation, that of hyperbaric oxygen treatment. They mentioned that that was definitely useful in terms of one and a half or two atmosphere pressure, and the Chinese, I’ve got to be careful here by saying this is what the Chinese said, because everyone wants to throw the Chinese under the bus and say that they’re disinformation and they’re holding back the truth or they’re falsifying things, but they said that a Chinese study in March that came out, 18:46 March 11th, they said they put the date on it, it was a paper in the Lancet, they said that 59%!o(MISSING)f the 191 COVID-19 patients in the study developed sepsis, and that sepsis was present in 100%!o(MISSING)f those who died, and it was the most commonly observed complication followed by respiratory failure, acute respiratory distress syndrome, and heart failure. The heart, lungs, and intestine are the main places that the virus infects, but the sepsis alone can cause both heart and lung symptoms, especially if your heart is already having problems. The sepsis intensifies, leads to heart failure, and multiple organ failure is the standard endpoint of sepsis itself, and these ventilated patients get typically 19:48 ventilated all the way to multiple organ failure, so I think treating sepsis is the first thing, but avoiding causing sepsis is even more important. The way the so-called receptor, the ACE2 enzyme, and to attention converting enzyme number two, was discovered 20 years ago, and within three years, first it was discovered as a heart-protecting enzyme. If you knock out ACE2, the experimental animal gets an enlarged, fibrotic heart, and tends to die with heart disease, but if you keep the ACE2 active, that protects the heart. It’s the ACE1 20:55 entrotensin itself, which causes the damage not only to the heart, but to the lungs, and it was only three years after this essential entrotensin two, entrotensin receptor, no entrotensin converting enzyme number two was discovered to be a heart enzyme. It was discovered to be the so-called receptor for the coronavirus, as far as coronavirus, and so it was known to be an anti-inflammatory enzyme 17 years ago, and the Chinese leaders, several groups around the world, were trying out all kinds of anti-inflammatory treatments, including entrotensin receptor blockers as treatment for SARS, and getting good results. So for 10 years now, several people have 22:07 been reporting good results at treating coronavirus infections with entrotensin receptor blockers and various anti-inflammatories. The Chinese, for example, most recently found good results from a serotonin receptor blocker, synancerin, and an antihistamine. Montyglucast was one they mentioned, and from two herbs, not weed and sophora root, both of those are anti-inflammatory. Yeah, there’s two clinical trials that are being done, maybe even more by now. In the United States, with Losartan treating this COVID-19, that’s the blood pressure lowering drug that you’re speaking about here, Dr. B. So that’s good to know that there, I think it was in Michigan, 23:08 they were doing some clinical trials with Losartan treating COVID patients. That’s very good to hear. In March, Lancet published one of the most horribly ignorant and dangerous articles I’ve seen in the literature. It’s Fang, Roth, and Churiculicus, are the authors. March 11th at Lancet, and they warned the world against using exactly those things which are most protective of the entrotensin blockers. Yeah, and that was being circulated around doctors’ offices because my horrible colleague who works in a doctor’s office was told, or all the nurses and all the doctors were briefed, that we are not allowed to prescribe our patients ACE inhibitors, and we have to take them off of the ACE inhibitor. And so when I heard 24:10 that, I told her what you had said about the Losartan, the ACE inhibitor, actually being very useful and helpful in COVID patients, and about the clinical trials that were being done in Michigan, she went and spoke to the doctor and got the information and got the literature in her hands, and she was so thankful and put all the patients that had been on Losartan back on Losartan, or an ACE inhibitor type drug. In March, two people who had been confirmed that they had the coronavirus asked me, and I referred them to the Chinese studies, and two of them managed to get the Losartan, and they both said they felt better immediately and were entirely well the next day. Well, you’re listening to us here at Dr. Ankemi Digababu, 91.1 FM from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o’clock. You’re invited to call in with any questions related or unrelated, hopefully related to the subject matter of the current outcry over COVID-19. 25:17 The number of you are in the area or out of the area is 1-800-KM-UD-RAD. Okay, so Dr. Pete, I also wanted to mention that the work that’s been done looking at vitamin D is a very viable, anti-viral, showed that they talked about, I guess it’s all tied in the black Americans being particularly susceptible to COVID-19, and that ethnicity in general worldwide because of lower than usual vitamin D levels amongst these populations, and that I know they revised the vitamin D level, the lower reference range, they raised it. They raised it about five points, I think, about two years ago. It used to be 20 or 25, and 30 now is considered, nanograms per mil is considered to be where you want to be for sure and preferably higher, 26:21 but the work that was done to look at antiviral effects, in particular against this coronavirus, said that between 30 and 60 more likely would give the best overall protection. Not only the revving up of the immune system to resist viral and bacterial infections, but I think a major part of its effect is it’s extremely important as an anti-inflammatory and since inflammation is what causes the sickness and death, vitamin D is one of our most important anti-inflammatory weapons. And aspirin, not only anti-inflammatory, but it has a well-established broad spectrum antiviral activity and it’s been found to protect you in the coronavirus infections. 27:22 Yeah, and our surgeon friend confirmed that, you know, these patients might not need the ventilation because it’s not really helping if they have a completely wet soggy lung, but then he went on to say very simple remedies like aspirin are really helping people because it’s so anti-inflammatory. Yeah, the Kaiser Family Foundation, I saw discussing the funding, I think it’s called CARES Act, the Free Money Act that was recently passed, is increasing funding to hospitals and according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, if a patient is admitted with a diagnosed coronavirus respiratory disease just going into the hospital, the hospital gets about $16,000, but if they’re put on a ventilator, 28:26 the amount is $48,000, so it’s worth the hospital more than $30,000 just to kill the patient. Without being cynical then, this is a little bit like the hospitals seeing free money and maybe some part and parcel why you don’t hear of heart disease now or cardiac problems or pulmonary problems where everybody’s got COVID-19 and they’re getting admitted to hospital under that diagnosis and that’s why these supposedly all of the other pathologies that are always out there because you don’t hear about them now and they’re suddenly related to coronavirus. Yes, suddenly very few people are dying of usual things. Well, the other thing too, I think what you mentioned Dr. Pete is that if the virus can be present in the intestine and not be in the nose, so they’re doing these nasal swabs and they might be getting a false negative as well. Right. So I mean not only is 29:26 there a possibility of having a false positive with a nasal swab, there’s a possibility of having a false negative and that’s why people need to request that they get the antibody test and even those are, you know, there’s only been one I think that’s been approved by the FDA as of a couple days ago. And there has been a question about the specificity of these antibody tests. Are they really specific for corona SARS-2 or are they responding just to some general old coronavirus? But we do know, I mean obviously if our surgeon friend said in the emergency room they’ve never seen anything like this in medicine where the entire lung is wet and boggy from a viral infection, then there’s something going on but perhaps the numbers of those people are just not as great as a number of diagnosis. That’s been the statistical problem in 30:32 evaluating truly what is the mortality rate and part and parcel of why the ramping up of the diagnosis has become a political, you know, a political objective. I noticed the CDC’s chart of the cases and deaths from influenza. It fell off like a cliff around April 1st with a sudden lurch upward in corona diagnosis. It looked exactly like if you had just redefined influenza as corona you could account for that continuously smooth curve with a disappearance suddenly of influenza to be replaced by corona. Doctors, we have a caller. Okay, well let’s see where we’re going to go with this first call. Let me just put it out there 31:32 again. You’re listening to us here at Dr. K. M. D. Garville, 91.1 FM from now until the close of the show eight o’clock. We’ve got a live show with Dr. Raymond Peake joining us. The number is 707-923-3911. Okay, let’s take this first call. A call away from and watch the question. Hi, I’m from West Haven and my name is Kirsten and last time in the March show, Dr. Peake talked about a lab that was working on COVID vaccines that had recently had to close last year and I was just wondering if he could repeat where that was because I’ve looked and I couldn’t find it. Okay, a lab. They were working on the flesh. You had mentioned that there was a lab that had to shut down a bio weapons lab that had to shut down. I think that particular one was Fort Dietrich, but there was one at the University of North Carolina working with them. I think that might have been shut down too at the same time. That was a nature article. 32:40 I think it was November 16 of 2015, maybe. No, last year, it shut down for… Of course, I’m going to take a minute to say it was like having, they weren’t disposing of their waste properly and they were letting wastewater go out that had live virus in it. Yeah, but that same lab had been previously closed for a moratorium on a particular kind of virus research because one group of virologists was saying that this is intrinsically useless and dangerous and should be stopped. And in 2014, the government put a three-year moratorium on that kind of research. And that was within a few weeks of Tony Fauci 33:48 took $3.7 million to fund the Wuhan lab to continue the research that was considered questionable, dangerous, or even… It was definitely illegal. And some scientists were saying it was simply not anything that should ever be done. So they continued in Wuhan until the accident or whatever it was last September. So this is the doctor from the White House, the same doctor Tony Fauci? Right. He apparently ignored… I don’t know who was supporting him, but he was in charge of it and he ignored the moratorium. I think that would be criminal. 34:57 To continue the banned research outside the U.S. where they could get away with it. Is this a gain of function? Yeah. And generally, it’s necessary to create a chimera, combination of two totally different viruses to get a really good gain of function. And this was a process developed over many years, at least back until the 1960s, for military uses. I think it was Nixon who ordered the end of biowarfare virology and it continued under the guise of vaccine research. There was the same gain of function for mixing two moderately virulent strains 35:58 of virus to produce one super virulent organism. The justification most recently was that if some enemy or terrorist created this super virulent virus, they needed to anticipate that and make a vaccine to this totally constructed organism so that they would be ready for the attack. And we’ve had the common cold for I don’t know how many decades now. I don’t know how much money has been spent on research into the common cold and we still get the common cold. I don’t quite understand the rationale. It’s not rational. It’s completely irrational. How that kind of organization comes into being with government money on the basis that it’s going to do some tangible good. I just don’t get it. Yeah. The virology community was violently divided. 37:05 One half working with the government. The other saying it’s crazy and criminal because that one lab, Fort Dietrich, had over a thousand leaks or accidents in a period of just a few years. More than a thousand documented violations of normal safety procedures. And finally, it was last year that they were shut down. But the dangerous research had been resumed in 2017 at the time it was shut down in 2019. So Wuhan had been the source of it for three years and then it came back. 38:06 And this is when you mentioned Dr. Fauci was financially part of a deal made and headed up his arrival to Wuhan as part of a U.S. delegation, if that’s the right word, but he actually went there and was instrumental in being part of the team that were involved in this transference to this laboratory. And that, so far as the public are concerned and the news reel is concerned and that whole cycle, this apparently originated at this lab. But I know that’s a little controversial too. Do we know who, pardon me, do we know who gave the 3.7 million? I didn’t hear that. I think it was 2.7, but anyway. Do you know who this came out? It was government money. Okay. Please listen online. There’s somebody ahead of you. I’m sorry, 39:08 listen on the phone here and there’s somebody ahead of you. Okay. Are there any callers on the at the moment? Yes, we’ve got two callers. Here’s the first one. Let’s take a break and go and check these callers out. Caller, you’re on the air. Where are you from? What’s your question? Hello, you’re on the air. What’s your question? Where are you from? I’m from what? Go ahead. Where are you from? What’s your question? No, I’m not. Caller, you’re listening on the radio instead of your phone, so you lost your chance. Here’s the next caller. You’re on the air. Where are you from? What’s your question? My name is James. I’m calling from Arizona and I have a friend who’s 39 years old. He supposedly died of this super virus and I think what happened is he just got ventilated before the doctors realized that it wasn’t very helpful. But my question is it seems that he had a lot of emotional stress 40:09 from work problems and could that make somebody who’s relatively young and otherwise healthy more susceptible to this kind of virus? Dr. B, good stress in general to anybody. It’s not helpful, but what are your emotional stress? This enterotensin system is responsive to stress and emotions. So it’s a very thing that would be ramped up in the presence of stress and yeah. Okay, well here’s another caller. Okay, all right. Caller, you’re on the air. Thank you. Hi, I’m from the Mendocino area. On the low start, I was in the impression that that particular medication affects the ACE-1 inhibitors and that the virus attacks the 41:10 receptor sites of ACE-2. I’m going to hang up and listen off the air. And that was kind of fun the first time around, I think. ACE-2 is the enzyme that destroys enterotensin. Entrotensin acts on the enterotensin receptor number one. That’s the thing that activates constriction of blood vessels, inflammation of blood vessels, fibrosis of the heart and so on. All of the bad stuff is activated at enterotensin receptor one by enterotensin. And the receptor is a protein ACE-2, which is not an enterotensin receptor. They call it a virus receptor, but its function 42:10 in the body is primarily to destroy enterotensin, the toxic signal, and it converts it into a beneficial form called enterotensin 1-7, the toxic enterotensin called enterotensin 2. The structure of it is really enterotensin 1-8. And the thing they call the receptor of the virus is able to trim the toxic enterotensin molecule into a one unit shorter enterotensin 1-7, which does just the opposite of everything. It’s anti-fibrotic, anti-blood tension, anti-all kinds of inflammation, balances the hormones, and so on. Very good stuff, but the virus 43:17 stickings of that protein limits its ability to detoxify. And so the receptor blockers are able to reduce the inflammation enough that the body can increase its production of ACE-2. Even though the virus attached to ACE-2. Is that what you’re saying? What was that? You said when people take the ACE-1 inhibitor, right, because that’s what isn’t the sartan, the angiotensin inhibitor. Angiotensin receptor inhibitor. Number one, there’s also an angiotensin receptor number two, but that is a low sartan that doesn’t bother that one, and that one has some protective effects too. 44:25 So low sartan is blocking the bad effects of angiotensin and at the same time allowing the body to increase the production of ACE-2 enzyme, the protective destroyer of angiotensin. Well, we have a full board. So do we get the next caller on the air? Callie, you’re on the air. Where are you from? What’s your question? I’m from Portland, and my question is, can UV light or ozone used to be used to disinfect the air? Could you cycle air through, like say on a jet airliner, run the air through some sort of ultraviolet disinfection? I couldn’t hear that. He was wondering if ozone would be helpful. 45:30 I think both of those would be risky. The risk would be increasing inflammation. The idea medically is always to kill the invader, but the successful treatments so far have been ignoring the virus. The standard medical thinking is it’s the replication of the virus that causes all of the problems, but actually it’s the inflammation that leads to the replication of the virus. And so if you stop the inflammation, you really don’t have to worry about the virus. Okay, so you’re saying that it’s not so critical to think about sterilizing the air and sterilizing the body? Oh, that’s fine to sterilize the air, but you can’t sterilize the 46:35 inside of the body. No, no. Oh, no, no. I was talking about sterilizing air like in an enclosed public space to run the air through some kind of UV filter as it recirculates to kill any airborne virus. Yeah, some people are advocating treating the blood with ozone and such, but that could intensify the inflammation. Okay, here’s our next caller. Yeah, just take the next caller. Colin, you’re on the air. Where are you from and what’s your question? From Connecticut, and I just two questions. One is the thoughts on the use of lactoferrin as an antiviral and the butmicrobial. The second question is if anything you can do to protect against adjuvants in vaccines? On the second part, again, anti-inflammatories are protected against everything, 47:37 but once you’ve injected aluminum into the muscle, for example, you’re going to have lifelong effects of that. Aluminum in the muscle has unpredictable effects. It often particles are sent up the nerve fiber from the muscle to the brain, transported in a specific way into the brain where they cause continuing amplification of the inflammation. So I wouldn’t encourage anyone to think that they can protect themselves from an aluminum containing injection. The first question was what? The last is lactoferrin as an antimicrobial and antiviral. He’s asking about lactoferrin as an antimicrobial. Probably the natural protein 48:46 of the milk system and of the intrinsic immune system. We’ve got all sorts of defensive things that if you’re in good health, a good vitamin D status and vitamin A status will make these things and they’re probably safe to supplement. Okay, Carla, thank you for your question. I don’t know if you’re Michael. Were there any other quarters on the line? No, no, there’s not. Although I’ll mention that in the hallway here at Kmod we have sort of a filter unit with the fan in it and it has a glowing blue light in it that I assume is UV to sort of filter the air throughout the day here. Okay, you’re listening to ask Dr. K. Meade, 91.1 FM from now until 8 o’clock. You invited to call in the numbers 1-707-923-3911. Okay, Dr. P, let’s quickly get into some of them. I know we mentioned 49:50 some of the inherent issues with ventilation and we’ve mentioned obviously the better protocols that I think are being called out for now by several physicians around the country. We mentioned vitamin D, definitely. The vitamin C, I also mentioned the skull cap, the Chinese skull cap route was very useful in Chinese clinical trials for preventing this cytokine storm. So that’s from an herb perspective and then vitamin C was brought out again as well as being a compound that would be antiviral and anti-inflammatory in its own right. So from the perspective of the information disinformation surrounding this whole thing, I think what is becoming obvious are the several things that, number one, that the war against fake news is being taken up by Facebook and other social media platforms that are now 50:53 really, I think, and this is all part and parcel in accruing to Chinese interests. So any content that questioned or contradict that kind of edicts of the World Health Organization is now being blocked. It’s been taken down, tagged as fake news, like I said on Twitter or Facebook and YouTube. And I don’t quite know how this happens in a free and democratic society. I think that’s the beginning of all of it is that in a true democracy, you have the people on the street corner shouting and complaining about whatever it is. And if you want to listen to it and do something, you can, but when it’s silenced, there really isn’t a free society anymore. That’s a draconian dictatorship that pushes its news and its narrative. And the whole thing about a lot of right-wing programs and news, et cetera, that’s been targeted because of the pushback against 51:54 President Trump, that part and parcel of the social media platform is creating a new era of a kind of Orwellian control where if you don’t have the people shouting on the street corners, even if they sound crazy or they are crazy, they’ve got to have their right to speech, their freedom of speech, which is all part and parcel of the Constitution. And I think we’re seeing when they mention the Orwellian kind of takeover of the social media platforms that everybody’s plugged into now, hopefully we’ll unplug from. But what do you think about that, all of the networks, NBC in particular, MSNBC, national public radio is being very offensive. You can tell some powers are being threatened by the questioning the safety of vaccines. And so even the NPR is starting to slander as science decenders. 52:59 And we have a caller. Okay, okay, we’ve got eight minutes. So let’s take this call. A caller, you’re on the airway from, what’s your question? Hi, this is Joan and I’m in Arcada. And I’ve for probably 30 years used water fasting to come, you know, to tame down any inflammation of any kind of virus that I’ve gotten. And I haven’t heard any mention of water fasting, especially immediately when somebody gets sick. I haven’t heard any mention of anybody using this extremely simple way of keeping disease under control. Yeah, that has been used for autoimmune diseases very successfully. And the reactions, the inflammatory reactions they’re seeing overlap very strongly with autoimmune diseases. 54:00 So you’re in agreement with that, right? Yeah. Okay, well there you go, caller. All right, let’s carry on. I think I’ve answered the caller’s question. I think that there was no controversy about it. And here’s the thing, Dr. B, I know you don’t advocate drinking water anyway in terms of it being a fairly, fairly, you know, product that you could better spend drinking a nutritious product. But okay, but that’s probably for another time. So getting back to the lack of or the decreasing public freedom to both dissent and demand a platform for free speech, I find that very worrying. And I don’t find it hard to conceive of it being not a conspiracy theory, but actually playing into the hands of government. And I’ve always said that the government are there for us to do our bidding. And that our right as a citizen and our duty as a 55:04 citizen is to maintain our right over the government, not in terms of breaking the law, but in terms of directing policies, etc. So do you fear what’s happening in terms of this outbreak and the stay at home measures and the fear and all of the rest of the negative things that are causing people to lose their freedoms and lose their interaction and lose their not to mention lose their job and their money. And that’s another whole subject. But the economic fallout from this is pretty disastrous. People have traced back the funding origins of Google and the social media and found that the CIA was the crucial seed money and guiding money for the creation of these things. So the government has been, even though they’re technically private organizations, 56:05 they are guided by and responsible to the CIA at Pentagon. Yeah, that seems to make sense. It’s very disturbing, I think, what’s happening with this. But I think it’s part and parcel, unfortunately, of having such a huge population that are unpredictable in terms of government’s wanting stability to, quote unquote, join everybody in a one world order and stamp out illegal activity, etc., with the whole cashless society. That’s another question. The whole discussion about paper money being a transmitter of coronavirus on the surface of cash and that being a reason why they need to outlaw it. Again, it’s all part and parcel of taking everything into their own hands. Into the government’s hands by basically producing yet another level of control over society. They handed out a few years ago in India 57:08 and there were thousands of deaths because people couldn’t get the electronic money. But there’s a band of cash at that point? Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, we’ve only got a couple of minutes left. So I do thank you for your time and let me let people know how they can find out more about you in the closing minutes. Okay. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Good night. Okay. So for people that have listened to the show, they are on the archive of KMUD at KMUD.org. They only last about six weeks to two months, I think, before they’re erased. But a lot of the transcripts have been put up on YouTube and also on our website, westernbotanicalmedicine.com. I got everything up until including 2017, but have yet to put up the last three years, isn’t it? I know it’s a little disappointing, but okay. So for those people who’ve listened to the show and want to find out more about Dr. Ray P, his website is raypeat, r-a-y-p-e-a-t.com. 58:12 He’s written a lot of articles about a lot of different pathologies, he called them, and very good ways of treating them that are based in science and not on the normal science that we would hear from mainstream medicine. So well worth listening to as a source of very good impartial and objectively scientifically rational information. And we thank him very much for being so willing to give his time over these last 12 years. If people want to check us out, we’re both medical herbalists and we run a business called Western Botanical Medicine. And the third Friday of every month is when we do these radio shows, it’s basically alternative alternative medicine with science underpinning it. So for those who’ve listened, thank you for your time. And next month, third Friday of June, we’ll be back from seven to late p.m. And I thank you. My name’s Andrew Murray. My name’s Sarah Johannes and Murray Singh. 59:15 Support comes from Red River Coast Energy Authority, which wants the community to know there are a variety of resources to help customers pay their bills, find the right rate plan and manage their energy uses during the current crisis. Visit redredenergy.org for complete details or call 707-269-1700 for more information. And the Jean Lucas Community Center has been setting up a lot of, setting up, seeing a lot of community come out and join the trails and campus at 3000 Newburgh Road in Fortuna. There are finished trails additions in Newburgh Park to the McLean