Heart III: BPA, Estrogen, Testosterone, Cancer, Tumors

00:00 The subject of edema and wetness in general as a term as opposed to dryness, a wetness of the tissue, and I know Dr. Peaks always mention that tumours when they arise are generally solid, but actually they have a higher than average water content, and so that was part of later on this shows the discussion into eye changes, mentioning things like age-related macular degeneration in particular and glaucoma, also having very high water concentrations and that being an interesting component along with estrogens, devastating effects, can’t say enough about estrogen and how bad it is for women, we’ve done many shows regarding estrogen in the past, and again it’ll bring up the kind of sinister side of estrogen if you like, and we’ve mentioned before many times that the only real function for estrogen is the implantation of a fertilized ovum, outside of that it reeks 01:03 quite a lot of havoc in the female body, it also does nothing very good in the male body, but especially with females the advancing age in estrogen is a very negative and inflammatory molecule, so we’ll bring out tonight’s subject of estrogen in that context, linking it to HRT and that kind of stuff. The damaging effects of environmental estrogens that are found in such compounds as BPA and other plastics that have a hormone-mimicking effects? When the organism is exposed at a very early stage, such as during gestation or infancy, the signals for development are changed so that the, especially the reproductive system is changed, but besides changing the individual by giving it false signals, the ENA is altered 02:14 slightly by attaching methyl groups to it as part of that misguided development, and that means that the ability to express enzymes for the rest of its life will be influenced unless it can somehow remove those methyl groups, but typically they will last for three or four generations even without further change, so the changes that happen to one individual can be passed on for generations, altering the fertility, for example, until it can attempt to cause the species to just disappear. Okay, so what’s your opinion about the amount of pollution that we are as an organism exposed to directly from estrogenic-like substances in the environment? 03:18 What we know about certain areas, the Columbia River and the ocean off the mouth of the Columbia, for example, they’re seeing lots of fish, simpler water organisms, even mammals that are sexually malformed and developing tumors, and in Florida there have been a lot of stories about the swamp animals that are becoming sterile, changing genders and so on, so the news reported about human health, I think, isn’t being up to date or honestly reported because what we see in the wild animals, I think, undoubtedly is affecting humans to 04:19 a great degree too. You think this could be so widespread and so endemic that it’s almost impossible for anyone to put a lid on it and that’s why it’s not being exposed as much as it should be or? Yeah, because of the influence of the estrogen industry, there’s a terrific reluctance to admit that estrogen has these toxic effects, even though it’s been known for 100 years, but it’s only in the last 10 or 15 years that people have really been researching in an organized way influences such as these environmental plastic chemicals and so on and the influence of the estrogen industry is simply going to blame any effects they see on such things as diet, smoking too much, a bad way of living and so on. 05:26 Yeah, rather than the root cause. Well, I hope so. I mean, last month was a testimony, especially for me having a reasonably close working relationship with you over the last few years doing the show that you’ve been consistently mentioning how bad polyunsaturates are and finally it showed up in the medical literature that indeed what you’ve been saying is very true and so I know you’ve also said that whilst a lie spreads around the world, in a moment truth is still getting a boots on, so hopefully in the not too distant future there’ll be printing the same kind of things as you’re saying about the estrogens in the environment and what we need to do to protect ourselves from it. Another subject around estrogens, the association of heart failure and cardiac death, what have you found from estrogen’s effects on those subjects? 06:27 Despite all of the 40 years at least of propaganda trying to sell estrogen to men to prevent heart attacks, for example, they found that they died faster when they took estrogen, but they keep coming back trying to sell estrogen as a heart protective hormone and the women’s health initiative somewhat set that back by showing that the use of estrogen replacement therapy for menopause increased the number of heart attacks as well as cancer and dementia, but despite that they’re still hoping to bring back their sales to the 2002 level where they dropped off so sharply, just the last day or two an article appeared from Yale Medical 07:31 School doing what they call a meta-analysis meaning picking out some articles from junkie medical magazines and analyzing them for the type of results basically they want until the women’s health initiative, the medical journals for 20 or 30 years were just swamped with the heart protective benefits and the brain anti Alzheimer’s effect and even the anti-cancer effects of estrogen and despite the women’s health initiative, these people are now looking back at their journals and drawing out of them the kind of information they want and this study so-called published by the Yale people claims that tens of thousands of women are dying unnecessarily by refusing to take their estrogen treatment for menopause. 08:36 Oh my goodness, when exactly the opposite is true they’ve probably got a greater chance of living without it, huh? Yeah, and hearing it come from Yale, it reminds me of about 40 years ago there was a daytime television program in which Barbara Seaman debated Yale Professor of Medicine, I suspect it’s the same one that sponsored this recent study and she made him look like a complete ignorance because she knew the facts and he was just quoting the medical doctrine. I suspect that Yale is now having it through Venge because Barbara Seaman is dead. Okay, well let me just remind people who they’re listening to here. So you’re listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor and K. M. E. Garberville, 91.1 FM and from 09:39 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o’clock, you’re invited to call in with any questions either related or unrelated to this month’s subject. Our guest speaker is Dr. Raymond Peake and the number is 923-3911 or if you live outside the area, 1-800-KMUD-RAD and the lines will be open from 7.30 to 8 o’clock. Okay, so Dr. Peake again, we’ll just carry on a little bit more with the subject of estrogen because I know that you’ve mentioned that Varicose veins were a fairly important outward sign or a visible sign of the lowered ratio of progesterone being the good hormone, the healthy anti-inflammatory hormone. So it’s a sign of lowered progesterone to estrogen. What have you to say about that? So estrogen is a cell excitant that in the process of stimulating one kind of cell activity 10:44 tends to make it retain water. The individual cell stays excited too long and in the process of being excited, the cell admits water and it has to relax a certain length of time to expel the water. And so under the influence of too much unopposed estrogen, cells tend to get more and more water logged and even though they’re excited, they progressively lose the ability to contract fully because in contracting, the protein mechanism has to be interacting with itself rather than pushing against a swollen amount of water. And that means that in a muscle such as the wall of a vein under the influence of high 11:49 estrogen and low progesterone, testosterone and so on, the wall of the vein becomes water logged and can’t contract periodically to maintain its tone. And the same thing happens in nerves, heart muscle, everywhere in the body that estrogen is able to have its influence and in these estrogen-dominated cells, the ability to contract becomes progressively weaker. Albert St. Georgie demonstrated the effect of estrogen and progesterone on heart muscles over 50 years ago and showed that under the influence of progesterone, if you stimulate the heart at an increasing frequency, each stroke becomes stronger, but is an efficient 12:56 way to respond to frequent stimulation. It relaxes in between, gathers its equipment together and then has a bigger contraction under the influence of progesterone, but if it’s influenced or dominated by estrogen, it’s unable to accumulate that information that the stimulation is increasing in frequency. So the estrogenized heart will respond to the fast stimulation by just more of the same weak little contraction and that’s basically how a failing heart behaves. Right. I was just going to ask you that. Okay. So that’s a typical picture of a gradually aging failing heart that it’s not allowed to, the excitatory stage is too long, it’s not allowed to relax or repolarize and remove 14:00 the water and it just gradually gets weaker and more feeble. You mentioned in your response to that last question that progesterone and testosterone, these are two compounds that will oppose the action of estrogen and presumably then they would be useful for people that had, not just women perhaps, but people that had estrogen dominant type pathologies or conditions. It’s now being recognized that testosterone has an anti-cancer value as well just recently. Another study came out showing that a testosterone deficiency is a strong predisposer to prostate cancer. Okay. Okay. Well, let’s talk about testosterone a little bit then as that’s a fairly pertinent topic. I know that you’ve, when we’ve talked in the past about the best way to go about exercising, 15:06 you’ve always mentioned non-stressful exercise. So you don’t advocate the aerobic type gym, nasium workout where you get your heart rate up to 160 and you’re breathing rapidly and that’s not what you want. You want weight-bearing exercise that doesn’t make you breathless and I know you’ve said in the past that that kind of exercise increases your ability to produce muscle and it’s the muscle that’s so important in basically helping you to maintain a good stable weight but that muscle also through the action of thyroid enables your body to metabolize things more efficiently because it’s way more of a useful substance in your body than the fat of an unhealthy or unexercised person. The muscle also metabolizes the steroid hormones and with exercise it can actually decrete 16:07 testosterone but in the lasting muscle or stressed muscle without adequate stimulation from good food and thyroid, muscles produce a lot of estrogen in one study. They were using the blood draining from a monkey’s arm as a control comparison for the blood coming out of the ovary. They found that the monkey’s arm was producing as much estrogen as its ovary and that probably isn’t a good representative of the average person but because the monkey was anesthetized and so on under the influence of stress and chemicals but basically any stressed tissue is going to tend to produce estrogen but a well-exercised strong muscle begins producing 17:13 testosterone and stops producing estrogen. So muscles in their own right can secrete testosterone? Yes. I think I was always under the impression that in the male the main site of testosterone production would be the testes but is there anywhere else in the body that testosterone can be secreted from? Yes, I think the skin is known to produce testosterone among other steroid hormones. It’s a fairly, it might be the body’s biggest endocrine synthetic factory. We often forget about the skin being the largest organ of the body but that’s true enough. Okay, I have another question for you and again it’s kind of related to cholesterol. I know that you’ve mentioned a previous study that positively associated an improved outcome 18:17 from heart failure in relation to an increased cholesterol level. Yes, and that pretty much can be generalized to other muscles. Everyone is hearing the bad news about the anti-cholesterol drugs that cause muscle breakdown. Sometimes the muscle breaks down so completely that the proteins leaking from the broken down muscle poison the kidneys and can even kill the person but that’s because their cholesterol is a stabilizing factor for the skeletal muscles and if you stop cholesterol synthesis the muscles are very susceptible to damage and those same processes are known to occur simultaneously in the heart muscle. The leakage of those proteins that can damage the kidneys, they always assume it is coming 19:20 from the skeletal muscles but the heart under those chemicals is known to leak the same proteins. Okay, interesting. Okay, I think I’ve got one or two more questions and then we’ll get into the current interest that you have in looking at the similarities or the links between cancers and tissue states the wetness especially with eye disease so that’ll be a new and interesting look at the approach to treatment for age-related macular degeneration for instance. I just had another couple of questions related to cancer and now you’ve had in your previous newsletter you’ve mentioned the link between hypoxia which is a kind of oxygen deficit and cancer. 20:21 The thing that’s in the research a lot lately is the hypoxia-inducible factor which is a protein that shows up, first they were seeing it wherever they cut off the oxygen supply but that same protein can really be induced by cutting off the glucose supply too, really should be called the energy deprivation protein, they call it by its name, its initials HIF hypoxia-inducible factor. So it’s not so much related to oxygen deprivation as sugar deprivation? Yeah, energy deprivation. And that has been studied primarily in relation to cancer and finding ways to block that protein production but it turns out that just getting enough glucose and oxygen delivered to the 21:25 tissue is a very simple way to inhibit that protein. So tell me this. It turns on all of the bad processes, hemoxygenase with carbon monoxide production, nitric oxide, synthase, lactic acid production, prostaglandin production causing inflammation, activating aromatase and so on. But then lactic acid in turn activates the HIF hypoxia factor so once it gets started the inflammation tends to promote more inflammation and hypoxia. Now forgive me for being thoughtless perhaps but hypoxia as a state of low oxygen and being a negative thing which is what we always normally would associate a low oxygen status 22:27 with being dangerous and life threatening, I know you’ve always promoted a CO2, a carbon dioxide rich environment as being a beneficial cellular matrix as it were to have a higher carbon dioxide content. So what would necessarily, I mean I know you’ve mentioned that the hypoxia-inducible fact you’ve just talked about is probably more accurately termed a glucose lack but is there anything negative about hypoxia? If you think that the hypoxia is turning on lactic acid which then turns on all of these other inflammatory signals and then you see that carbon dioxide turns off the production of lactic acid, simply the ability to turn off lactic acid production is one of the basic protective features of carbon dioxide. Okay good, it’s the association then between lactic acid and carbon dioxide that’s the 23:33 important thing. Okay, alright you’re listening to ask your doctor on KME decalbable 91.1 FM and from now until 8 o’clock you’re invited to call in with any questions, either related or unrelated to this month’s subject of the heart hormones and cancer and the eyes, okay the number if you live in the area is 9233911 or if you’re outside the area the 1-800 number is 1-800-KMUD-RAD and our special guest speaker is Dr Raymond Pete. Okay so I think we’ll probably get into the next subject of which I think you’re probably going to be writing a newsletter at some point here maybe but as yet you haven’t. So I know when we’ve spoken you’ve mentioned that your research is showing that wetness as opposed to dryness, the wetness in the eye associated with cataracts is the same kind of wetness that’s found in tumours, it’s found in the heart during heart failure and also 24:34 in the brain during brain disease. I mean yeah despite the fact that the failing heart becomes hardened even calcified and tumours are shipper than healthy tissue and even with age in a very serious dementia the brain can become sort of rubbery with so many connective tissue cells despite the fact that the tissue is becoming firmer these thick degenerative states actually contain more water so that if you dry a piece of the organ it loses much more weight than a healthy organ would. In relation to the given amount of nuclear nucleic acid and proteins and so on these degenerative 25:36 tissue issues have a very high percentage of water but besides the actual percentage of water the water changes state and becomes relatively more like free bulk water that can be frozen where the healthy cell is functioning somewhat as an endophrase binding the water so that it isn’t as free to move out of the cell or to be frozen or otherwise subject to influence. Do you think we do actually have a couple of quarters on the line but do you just quickly to rephrase what you said are you saying that the water found in these tissues during these type of pathologies is not electrically the same as regular water? Well if you freeze say you have a land that has cataracts in it and has a much higher 26:43 percentage of water per protein molecule and if you freeze that it’ll crystallize easier than a healthy lens and this can be studied in an MRI machine because you can very clearly see the difference between the water that’s bound firmly to the cell in the way it should be for the water that’s just sitting there as excess useless water plugging up the cell function. Interesting. Alright well let’s not keep this call as we’ve got, I think we’ve got three callers on the line now so let’s take the first caller. We had another person that didn’t want to wait but she wanted to know if black cohosh was effective for menopause. Okay so bit of a convoluted question because black cohosh is typically used in the literature for menopause decreasing night sweats but I think there is also a lot of research coming 27:44 out of Europe which actually prevents the use of black cohosh as a kind of more of an estrogen stimulant so I’ve always kind of viewed black cohosh for a little bit of caution. It’s not something that I would say straight away would be useful but there are other ways to lower your estrogen state because the whole point of the black cohosh was that it was more of an estrogen replacement. I’ve heard some ideas that it was an anti-perlactin factor, I don’t know what the current state of that idea is. I’m not too sure about that either Dr. P. What did you say Sue? She wanted to know what the best herb would be for menopause or herbs. Really it’s probably as much about your excess estrogen as anything else. I know Dr. P. In terms of menopause you would probably suggest that excess estrogen is one of the main causes and to bring that down into line with the anti-estrogen hormone 28:50 pregnenolone or progesterone would probably be the most efficient way of doing it. And usually thyroid, cholesterol tends to rise at menopause and if thyroid is adequate that will keep turning the cholesterol into more of the pregnenolone and progesterone to protect against estrogen. Good. Okay so there’s another call on the line so let’s take this next caller you’re on here. Hello this is David. You know and I know this is kind of a deep subject and I’ve heard you ask questions before about water Andrew and I’ve read different things that Dr. P. has written about like poly water and different types of more structured water and I’m just curious you asked the question just a minute ago and I don’t know if I understood the answer but when we have these tissues that are experiencing edema and we have you know what we’re calling H2O 29:52 is that water considered to not be structured at its optimum and in line with that is kind of a similar question is it seems like I’ve heard that I think I’ve heard this from Dr. Pete and these different discussions that do we produce our own water at times and is that a more structured water and then the other question is like when we drink orange juice or we drink milk and say we’re drinking raw milk versus pasteurized milk is the water content within those foods is that considered a very optimum structured water? Okay Dr. Pete did you hear those questions clearly or? Yes there are my article on the poly water question it talks about some of the ranges of influence how far a certain surface can influence a structure such as in clay the 30:58 water in ordinary clay is structured differently from bulk water but there’s also a question of how long the influence of that surface can last. Gerald Pollock at the University of Washington has there are some videos on the internet that you can see his demonstrations of some of the odd behavior of water even in a fairly bulk situation but ordinarily it doesn’t make any difference whether you drink water that has been boiled recently or frozen recently it’s mostly a matter of degassing that makes it behave differently according to its recent history but it’s safe to drink tea or coffee water that’s been boiled but what matters is the state of the water inside the cell and that’s governed 32:05 by the energy of the metabolism and the ratio of things like carbon dioxide to lactic acid in the lens the proteins in other hard tissues collagen is the main protein that gives its stiffness but in the lens the main protein is called crystalline and it happens that crystalline is very well ordered with reference both to the structure of water and to the wavelength of visible light so that the water surrounding these proteins in the lens is the well ordered that it doesn’t interfere with or reflect or absorb the light passing through it so it’s an essential protein for maintaining the transparency of the lens and this protein 33:08 if you compare it to collagen or albumin or other common proteins the protein combined very firmly much more water about twice as much water as other proteins and hold it under its influence so really the water of the lens and the protein is in a tight system in the normal state but when the energy processes fail and you absorb influences such as estrogen, polyunsaturated fats, lactic acid, various toxins then the energy of the lactic acid is unable to repair the system and the water gets out of control of these proteins and starts becoming a ordinary bulk water that interferes with the passage of light and let 34:10 junk accumulate such as broken down fragments of polyunsaturated fats, acroliens for example breaking down from the N minus 3 proteins is a major factor in cataract formation. Okay I want to make sure that fairly quickly because we do have a couple more callers but that last caller also asked if we produced a lot of information about the lactic acid own water and is the water in milk and OJ an optimum type of water? The water that has been filtered through an orange tree or a cow it’s at least a very purified compared to how water you get out of the plumbing. I know you’re not very keen on water just per se drinking water you’d much rather people drink something that has nutritional value. 35:12 Yeah and we do make quite a bit of water metabolically when we carbohydrate in particular. We turn some of the oxygen that we are using to produce energy some of that becomes water and the metabolic water is just intermixing with the water that we get from the food itself but the nature of the oxygens contained in carbohydrates can influence the oxygen metabolism of the cell. The hydrogens as well as the oxygens are a mixture of isotopes 36:13 of different weight in everything that we either consist of we have a mixture of these different weight isotopes and heavy water, deuterium oxide it slows down our metabolism so there’s a slight difference in the water that we get from a tropical sugar versus beet sugar that’s grown up in a high altitude because of the rainfall is separating the heavy water from the light water. Interesting. So that there is a slight difference in the quality of the water depending on where the fruit grows. Yeah, far out. Andrew I know I’m going to say this real quick I’m sorry but I just want to make sure I understand one thing. So in a way the water like you’re talking about in the lens of the 37:13 eye it’s structured so that it’s almost like crystalline and that it actually structures the different materials that it’s intermingling with. So the protein structures the water and then the water admits things electrically. Okay. Okay well hey thank you for that that’s really interesting but thank you very much. Alright thank you for your call. Okay we have two more callers so let’s take the next caller you’re on here. Where are you calling from? Hey I’m calling from just Leightonville down here and I’ll be real quick I know you’ve been on the call and a great show very very interesting here. Thank you. I hate to backtrack here but I take about a hundred milligrams of metropolol. Okay. You know it’s a cholesterol thing. I’ve been taking it every day for like five years. I also take Isis Thorbide it’s a time-release nitroglycerin you know from my heart. Right you haven’t joined them. I’ve had like seven heart attacks in the last nine years. I’ll take my answer up here but 38:15 with this much metropolol is this something I should be concerned about today? You know like talk to my doc about it? Okay Dr. P what do you think about that? I don’t know that part. Do you know what class it is? I don’t either at one moment. I don’t know if the call is still there or not. Hello? Hi did you hear Dr. P he was asking if you knew what kind of what class of drug metropolol was in? I take it for my cholesterol that’s all I know. Right yeah I’m not too sure. The only safe way I know to lower cholesterol chronically is by increasing thyroid function. In 1936 or 7 people demonstrated that if you remove a person’s thyroid gland their cholesterol level goes up as a mirror image of their oxygen consumption going down and when you give them a thyroid supplement the cholesterol will fall as the oxygen consumption increases. That’s 39:24 a very simple mechanism that doctors prefer to prescribe drugs with the toxic side effects and just lowering the cholesterol even if the drug didn’t have other side effects the cholesterol is normally destined to turn into DHEA progesterone, testosterone and so on and so if you push down the availability of cholesterol by any mechanism you’re going to end to deprive the body of those steroids that it should be forming. You guys are great man thanks for all the information. You’re welcome. Good night. Okay so were there any more callers on the air Sue? Yeah one more okay so let’s take this next caller you’re on the air. Oh okay they’ve gone okay they’ve hung up. Okay well the number here if you live in the area is 9233911 or if you live outside the 40:28 area the number is 1-800-KMUD-RAD and the lines are open till 8 o’clock. So guest speaker Dr. Raymond P. we’re covering his latest work on the similarities between the component or structural components of clatter-axe, the conditions like macular degeneration, tumors and heart failure in terms of the heart muscle. So I just wanted to ask you this next oh who’s there? We had two very shy callers they didn’t want to go on the air and one question is regarding the thyroid supplements does it matter if it’s T or T3? That’s one question and then I’ll ask the other one. Okay all right well there’s two there’s T4 and T3 so it would very much matter depending on what the situation was which one they may or may not be short of so Dr. P how would you best answer this because this is your subject? 41:29 Well if the study that led to the substitution of thyroxin or T4 or the natural combination T3 and T4 was a test on male medical students every age in the early 20s and being male they didn’t have the problems that typically females have about five or ten times the incidence of thyroid problems so they tested thyroxin on a population that was extremely inappropriate for testing the thyroid product and they said it works just like natural thyroid and since it was a commercial proprietary material they preferred it to the natural product but after about 10 or 15 years the actual active hormone T3 was identified and studied and it was found 42:37 that this is what women lack typically causing them to have five or ten times the thyroid problems that men do because estrogen interferes with the glands secretion of both T4 and T3 but it especially interferes with the liver’s ability to convert thyroxin to the active hormone T3 so many women actually get worse symptoms when they take thyroxin because it suppresses a little bit of T3 that their thyroid gland is producing yet doesn’t add to the amount of T3 that should be produced by the liver. Okay excellent and there’s another reason why the excess estrogen found in postmenopausal women or even menstruation women works against them works against the thyroid. I didn’t hear that. Okay I just said that that’s the main reason why 43:41 menstruating or postmenopausal women are at more risk in terms of low thyroid function. Yeah and some of the typically female problems such as endometriosis are just amazingly responsive to the proper thyroid supplementation because once the thyroid goes down then estrogen goes up right and since the estrogen blocks thyroid action it becomes a vicious circle. Yeah got it. Okay well there is another caller on the air so let’s see if. Well no it’s the caller who didn’t want to go on the air but they wanted to know what the effects of cannabinoids are on cancer. Dr. Pete. Oh on cancer I think people are still exploring that there are some suspicions that it might actually slow cancer growth others worried that it might make it worse but mostly it’s used to 44:42 prevent the stress symptoms and for that it’s effective. So what do you what are you just talking about that a little bit more in terms of as much as anything else helping me understand more about it because again I think I’m probably on the fence in terms of not knowing enough one way or the other but in terms of the plant and its relationship to hops both in the cannabase A hops express a lot of pro estrogenic compounds which is why the hop pickers during hop picking in August in England would lose their periods such was it its powerful effects on the hormone system. Do you look at do you look at those compounds as being pro estrogenic and if you do. Oh definitely hops is a very powerful estrogen. Right how is there any similarity given that the plants in the same family. I’m sure there’s a lot of overlap. Almost every plant has some estrogenic or anti 45:51 estrogenic material but mostly they’re estrogenic because it’s a defensive material that for example acts like birth control pills for predators. The known effects of heavy marijuana smoking are definitely estrogenic but some of that could just be that the any kind of smoke is estrogenic. Right right. Is there any parallel. I know carbon monoxide is present in abundant quantities when you smoke. Is there any way and I’ve seen blood work from clients who are smokers they always seem to have a pretty high CO2 which you would say is a good thing. Is there a beneficial I don’t say smoking is good and we should all start smoking but is there anything more simplistic or is there 46:52 something you know more more dangerous at work than just getting a little bit of extra CO2 in your system. Well the carbon monoxide can accumulate and have some chronic harmful effects such as on the liver function but I think the real danger of smoke is the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons which are inflammatory and estrogenic and carcinogenic. Just anything you burn is going to produce some of those and then any smoke of a plant material is going to produce some dioxin type material. Right okay I certainly do have more I want to ask you about the in terms of your work looking at tissues and wetness and tumors but for fear of running over the show I don’t want to 47:57 ask any more callers on the yeah I think we do have a couple waiting but I think we’re going to carry this one on next month I think there’s enough interest in it certainly to bring out more callers so Dr. P I think it’ll give me an opportunity to let people know more about you and I’ll thank you very much for joining us. Okay I hope you’ve got a better light. I do too I’m sorry for the listeners who’ve perhaps found a little difficulty in hearing Dr. P and I’m sorry Dr. P that you’ve had difficulty hearing as well. Okay so just to wrap up the show the next few minutes that we have Dr. Raymond Pete has a website and his address is www.raypeatrypeat.com. It has something in excess of 50 or more scientific journal articles that are fully referenced scientifically so it’s not just here say he’s been what you call it he’s been crying out loud from a distance for quite 49:01 some time now I’m glad that people are hearing what he has to say and I’m glad that he’s been vindicated by current scientific literature being in accord with what he’s been mentioning for 20 or 30 more years so his website there www.raypeat.com is an excellent source of information would encourage you very much to go check it out. 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