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04:00 Okay, we are live on YouTube, Ray Pete, Georgie Dinkov, Ray, I interrupted you, you were saying some really important critical things and so I just want to get those on record. I was asking you initially about China, Brzezinski, the Rockefeller Technocratic Society, you were mentioning Event 201, Fort Detrick and kind of the culmination of a bunch of, I don’t know, larger global plans and pushing society in a specific direction that has been talked about for a long time. Yeah, there was a commission on defense preparations using artificial intelligence came out about two years ago that said that at the rate Chinese economy has been growing, 05:04 the world will be centered on Chinese production, development of artificial automation, automatic factories and the US for various reasons would not be able to keep up with that extrapolated progress and that the only way this commission could see to prevent China from taking over the world in 10 years would be to stop the world economy as a whole, turn off ruin the whole world economy. And then these other things, the claiming that there was a virus released last November, doing the news releases of a leaky lab and Fort Detrick preparing pathogens, all of that 06:15 reinforced by China’s cooperation in creating that huge quarantine that was acting out the plan to ruin the world economy as the way to save the ruling system, keep the US empire intact by ruining everything and meaning ruining small business primarily so that there can be an immediate takeover by monopoly of corporations and finance, simplify the whole economy with basically everyone being a low wage employee but working to overtake China on the matter of 07:18 artificial intelligence production. So I have a question here. So if let’s say China becomes the leader in artificial intelligence, what are those 1.4 billion people they’re going to do? Like what do you think China’s idea of its own population would be? How would they participate if eventually everything becomes automated? I’m not sure they’ve thought about that but they have basically humane concept of how capitalism is working. They have actually almost succeeded in eliminating poverty. China was one of the poorest countries when they started and they have actually seriously brought up the lowest economic category. Okay, so basically this event is similar to that quote you gave once about the Vietnamese and the 08:24 American saying we have to destroy this village to save it from the Vietnamese. So they’re doing the same thing now with the world economy to save it from the Chinese. They have to destroy it. Exactly. Okay. So I was a little bit wrong. They’re not in solidarity with China. They’re doing all these things to protect what they’ve built. Is that right? Yeah, they were taking profits from the industry in China but reached a point where they saw that China as an economy was becoming the center of the world, making the world dependent on their production and that was structurally interfering with the U.S. idea of empire in which military bases were the essence of organization and the Chinese were making the flow of goods 09:26 with means of organization. What does like quarantine and lockdown, like why would it, presuming that’s towards like a deep population type of effort, what does that have to do with maintaining the empire? Are the citizenry getting out of control and that’s why they have to put these ridiculous measures in place to clamp down on the people? Well, that’s part of it to justify taking over the internet requiring vaccination and subordination of all sorts. But I think mostly it’s part of destroying all of the middle class competition for the giant monopolies. Do you think technocracy is a worthwhile concept? Like, is that useful for explaining what’s going on? And that being, I think, was it coined by 10:29 Brzezinski in between two ages? Oh, no. Veblen was the first person who started talking about you could eliminate labor and create abundance. And then the people who called themselves the technocrats incorporated started, the founder of technocracy knew Veblen and adopted his view of the economy. But did you know any of the old technocrats used to drive gray cars with the yellow and red yin yang symbol on the side? 11:39 People thought they were maybe fascist sympathizers or something, but they were actually just very naive about how the world works. They took these calculations from Veblen and subsequent economists like Cain himself, John Maynard Cain, 1930, wrote an article saying by, I think it was by 2030, 100 years from when he wrote, he said the discounting plagues and world wars by 2030, that people won’t be working any more than 15 hours a week. And when I was a kid, that was part of the environment that the work week was getting 12:41 shorter. And that was the predicted future. It wasn’t just the technocracy people by name, but they were outstanding in how optimistic they were that the people who owned things were going to let the engineers run them intelligently and efficiently. That constantly was running into interference with concentration of wealth and control. The progress towards the 15 hour week was more or less continuous despite those interferences with the engineer category. But 1980 was the turning point. Reagan 13:48 and the progress of the middle and working class took a sharp turn and the GDP kept increasing, productivity kept increasing, but wages started decreasing and the upper one percent and one tenth of one percent started getting all of the rewards of increasing production. I have a the technocrat magazine open on the screen right now and it’s from 1938 and they say technocracy is the science of social engineering, the scientific operation of the entire social mechanism to produce and distribute goods and services to the entire population. I was listening to a conversation between Patrick Woods and James Corbett and Patrick Woods is somebody who’s written a few books on technocracy and he was important to point out that originally 14:50 it was more like a bucky fuller type of future. I think what you said, you’re only working a few hours in the future, but Rockefeller and Brzezinski and that co-opted the term for kind of their dystopian brave new world type of future. Yeah, definitely. It started with the CIA and Eisenhower and the Green Revolution that was being applied in agriculture, turning farming into agri business and agri industry rather than producing mixed foods for consumption. It was producing soybeans for profit. That started with Rockefeller and Eisenhower in 1953. 15:53 I have a question. If agriculture has been so industrialized to mostly focus on profit and not necessarily produce the foods that the people need, then how come it needs such massive subsidies from the government? I live in DC and I know some people that are involved in lobbying on behalf of agricultural union, not unions, but organizations and they’re saying that, you know, if these farmers, no matter how massive they are in the Midwest, they don’t get their government subsidies, even one season they’re going under. Well, the government has been financing the upward distribution of ownership in all sorts of ways, but the funds going to people owning only 10,000 acres and such, that was slowing the progress of the great technocrats. So they’re going to let those 16:56 so-called relatively small farms of 10 or 15,000 acres go under to be consumed by the ones controlling a million acres. Can we step back a little bit and, Ray, in one of your newsletters you quoted Gore Vidal and you said, the people have no voice because they have no information and that reminded me of, at first I wasn’t sure if it was accurate or not, but William Casey, the CIA director in 1981, he said, well, no, our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false and then there’s like some dispute on whether that quote is real or not and then Barbara Honegger was said she was the one that quoted him and she on a Quora website of question and answers basically says like seriously this quote is real and I was the one who said it, but I just say that because this is not something that’s really, 18:00 I mean, the concept of fake news is more prevalent than it ever has been, but I mean, what is your take having a wide perspective on how the news has changed over time? Oh, the public news is getting more controlling, more false and dumbed down so that they’re just giving instructions every day on what you should believe today and it’s horrifyingly effective with this plank thing, how people fell for it. Without any data at all, the decisions were made that a new kind of coronavirus was very infectious and very deadly. No data in support. My first thought was, do they have guilty insider information that it was 19:07 designed in the lab and they know that to be the case? If they weren’t the designers of it otherwise, there’s no sane reason for saying those things that it’s very infectious or very dangerous because they just weren’t doing the tests to see what was making people sick or measuring the changes of sickness in relation to previous years. So I was looking at the CDC’s reports and all of their actual cases and infections and deaths were right up on the typical flu season, mortality, sickness, and hospitalization. And as the tests became available 20:07 by the millions around the 1st of April, suddenly flu mortality dropped like fast as the stock market had fallen earlier. It was like a cliff falling off as the millions of tests became available and the steep rise of the news talked about a sudden gigantic speed of communication caused this vertical rise in the incidence and deaths from the coronavirus. But the bigger curve of general respiratory mortality was right on previous year patterns. It was just coronavirus replacing influenza and syncytial and other respiratory viruses. And 21:10 this same thing happened with the vaccines. For example, the polio vaccine when it became available, the official definition of polio was changed. And other conditions that had been causing paralysis suddenly disappeared as polio was epidemic. The things like aseptic meningitis were either rising to replace the disappearing polio in other words that the definition was the only thing that changed, paralysis stayed the same. And so if you eliminated polio by saying that it didn’t fit the definition of what was causing 22:12 paralysis, then the vaccine could get the credit for it. The same thing was done in the opposite direction with cancer from the 1940s through the 50s. They increased the definition of cancer of the breast and uterus for example. Things that had been non-cancer became cancer. And so if you cure all of these cases of non-cancer, it shows that your treatment is effective. But if you look at the actual death from cancer, the deaths from cancer increased exactly at the speed that the treatment for cancer increased. But by definition, they were having a tremendous success in curing cancer by creating a straw man 23:15 of disease and curing it. But meanwhile, the bystander patient was dying at a higher rate. And I think that accounts for why the coronavirus deaths are tending to displace flu virus deaths. I have a question in regards to the coronavirus. If the Chinese are aware that this has been dropped at their doorstep as a warning, they must have done some testing internally and probably confirmed that this is not nearly as dangerous as what we hear on TV. Why do you think they took the bait, so to speak, and quarantined the entire country? Was it an exercise in their own police state for future purposes? Or were they really concerned that maybe this could have unforeseen lethality later down the road? 24:17 As far as I can tell, it could be either of those equally. Ray, what do you make of the flip-flopping of the who saying or another organization saying, oh, masks don’t help. You don’t need to wear them. Oh, you must wear a mask. And now it’s basically illegal to not wear a mask. How could that happen? Were they just not coordinated to the story, the narrative on the public? Yeah, they didn’t plan it all out with that meeting that came up with Event 201. They left some details that were sloppy. Can you talk a little bit more about Event 201 and then also this lockstep scenario narratives from the Rockefeller Foundation? And then also, sorry, throw so much at you, but the Harry Vox really predicting, once you know the plan, it’s kind of easy to predict. But Harry Vox’s scarily accurate prediction where he just, 25:20 he kind of calls all of this in 2014, but Event 201, lockstep, and these kind of quote scenarios that they run. What are they for? Why are they doing these things? Where are they doing which things? I mean, why are they doing it right now? So the lockstep document, I think, came out in 2010. But I would imagine most of the public is not familiar with this Rockefeller Foundation document and things like 201. But they seem to see these things out in the public. And then when you bring them up that they’re identical to what we’re experiencing now, you’re called a conspiracy theorist. So I mean, when you read something like this, what is your take on it? Oh, really, we’re planning this. I think Harry Vox is right. You can’t imagine them as being more evil than they really are. We’re always 26:24 short in our estimation of how bad they are. I have a more sinister explanation why they’re doing this. Why they’re seeding the public with these things. I mean, now that everything is being monitored online, it’s sort of, they’re probably, they probably have a list. And I’m sure they have a list of people who are kind of, you know, reading between the lines and realizing what’s really going on. They’re similar to the leaders of the Occupy Wall Street movement. If you remember, they had snipers that were ready to take them out. Now, I’m not saying that they’re snipers for all of us waiting on the roof. But I think I would guarantee you that we are all on some kind of a list if we fit the profile of people who are essentially, you know, reading these documents and realizing what’s going on. Because the vast majority of people that are around me that I’ve mentioned these things to you, they’re so out of it that basically you can’t even talk about these topics without being considered a nut. But yet at the same time, I’m pretty sure that 27:29 there’s probably an agency somewhere keeping track of, you know, who is saying what online and who can become a potential leader of a resistance movement. Yeah, I think doing everything possible on the internet and telephones and so on is important. But besides that, people have to start actually getting in touch personally and passing messages personally, organizing on the ground level literally, and establishing networks within the system, and hoping to find contact within the surveillance structure. 28:31 Like my experience in the past, just with trying to go abroad to teach, that involves surveillance to the extent that one of my old friends who turned out to be sort of my overseer for some government agency, he said he would tell me when we retired, but he died before retiring. But his wife confirmed that he was in surveillance. But every time I would have an idea, like to go to a teach in Nicaragua or Salvador or something, he would somehow locate my location even though I hadn’t kept in touch with him and didn’t have a telephone, but he would somehow find my address and get in touch 29:34 and ask what I was doing and then say, don’t do it. You have direct experience with this. Yeah, and I was never aware of it happening except when someone like that would intervene. And I had a friend who was a union organizer who was intending to go to San Salvador with a group of other union people from the Northwest. We knew him as a fanatical anti-Marijuana person because he knew that that would be used to damage the union workers if he was tainted by marijuana. But the night before he was to fly to close to San Salvador with the other union guys, his apartment was arrested, marijuana was planted, 30:44 and he was put in jail to miss his flight. And as far as I knew, he didn’t know why it happened. He wasn’t prosecuted, charges were dropped, but the guys that went there were sitting in a restaurant starting to get organized and the army murdered them all. So my view was that he had his friend somewhere in the government that protected him by having him frightened. Are you familiar with the writings and the interviews of this lady called Kay Griggs? There is this lady, her name is Kay Griggs, and she has been posting interviews about the power structure within the government and all the conspiracies. And she verbatim said pretty 31:49 much what you just did was done to her. She was married to a very high-level former NATO official. He was in charge of, I forgot, some kind of a policy for NATO. So he was the second or third in command at the NATO headquarters in Europe. And she was married to him for about 20 to 30 years. And he was basically his job. He was basically an assassin. And he was either killing people or helping kill people who were subverting the empire. And apparently after she started speaking about these things, he promptly divorced her. He disappeared. If you try to look for his name, he cannot be found online. But more importantly, she said that people would randomly break into apartments or hotels where she would go out and stay there. And basically, this will be a message of saying, be mindful of what you’re saying, because we can plan, we can frame you in any way we want. And if we don’t like what you’re saying, 32:50 maybe something much worse would happen. Yeah, I’ve been nearsighted and generally can be absent-minded and such. I never would notice things, but whenever this guy who was my my surveillance person was with me, like I would come back to the school, put my key in the lock and pull it out and find shreds of paraffin on it. I said, what was that? And he said, oh, sometimes they do that to make a copy of your key so they can break in. By the way, it was me. Don’t worry about it. And other times I wasn’t noticing someone being like a clown, a surveillance person who was doing a show of being sneaky, but looking ridiculous, hiding behind a skinny 33:57 light post, for example. And I wouldn’t have noticed it except my friend pointed it out. And then the guy wrote a number in the dust of my windshield and then it disappeared. And I said, I wonder why he wrote that number. And my friend said, that looks like an immigration tourist card number. So I pulled out my tourist card and it was my immigration number that this guy had written it. But I wouldn’t have noticed it if surveillance guy hadn’t pointed it out to me. So maybe that’s what protected you. You were so absent-minded. Their signs weren’t working. I think part of his instruction at that point was to try to get me to leave the country. 35:01 So that was Nicaragua, you said? Or El Salvador? What was that? Was that in Nicaragua or El Salvador? No, that was Mexico. Oh, Mexico, okay. Can we talk a little bit about Bill Gates’ role in this and this political article says, meet the world’s most powerful doctor, Bill Gates. And so I also, somebody called him a pandemic hobbyist, which I thought was funny. But what is your take? I don’t imagine that very, very, very powerful people give as many interviews as Bill Gates. So what do you think he’s an extension of, Ray? Oh, he likes to hobnob with the very top bankers, the Rockefellers and Rothschild type. And I think he’s in the network, CIA, IBM, creating his business and his billions. And that he’s right from the start 36:13 knowing somewhat what the scheme is. But he’s sort of a microcephalic type who follows orders, but doesn’t do much help. It’s funny because my dad worked for IBM and he, he worked in for computers my entire life. And all I heard when I was growing up was what a son of a bitch like Bill Gates was. And so it’s kind of funny to me that he’s reformed his image so much as being this Christ-like savior with the vaccines. And it reminded me of John D. Rockefeller because apparently he was hated by everybody and then he had a campaign to reform his image, I think. Yeah, and public health. He got poor people to wear shoes in the south and did lots of good things. I always thought that a powerful and doctor, a contradiction of terms, but apparently I’m the only one who thinks that way. I try to bring it up to a few 37:17 doctor friends of mine and they said, no, it’s perfectly fine. I said, well, a powerful doctor to me would mean somebody who cured cancer. And they said, no, no, no, you’re living in a fantasy where a powerful doctor means who has the potential of one day being either the president or running global health, which seems exactly what Bill Gates seems to be aiming towards. Yeah. And the world economy is part of world health. You want to keep people just sick enough that they have to consume the drugs and be under the control of the doctors and the drug companies. Do you think they’ve gotten the science down, improved enough to the point where they can say, on average, we can control how long a person lives and exactly when they die, 38:17 when their worth to the system essentially is exhausted. Basically, they reach either a level of age or a level of sickness where they’re no longer worth to the system to continue maintaining them. So more or less, on an average level, they can predict, they can engineer the death of the average citizen. Yeah. And when someone is in the hands of a healthcare system, where the military or the insurance company or the healthcare corporation where they’re responsible for their final sickness, it’s well established that the final sickness is the most economical disposition with morphine is the standard treatment for cancer, even though 39:18 it’s recognized for at least 100 years that it makes cancer grow faster. But it’s a very cheap way to finish them off and save money. Well, going back to what you talked about, Bill Gates kind of being born into this hobnobbing with the elites. And in an old interview with Bill Moyers, Bill Gates says his dad was head of Planned Parenthood. And so I know people have a knee-jerk reaction to that, but I feel like it’s fairly well talked about like Margaret Sanger and that being kind of a racist depopulation strategy. And then Bill Gates’ dad is head of that Planned Parenthood and Bill Gates’ dad being associated with Rockefeller. Oh, yeah. They talk about that, the efficient population and the things that will not prolong 40:30 poverty, get rid of the people who are occupying the land that needs to be made efficient. And then a picture surfaced with Anthony, I don’t know how you say his last name, Fauci, with William H. Gates, David Rockefeller, Soros, and just the elite of the elite. And so again, I’m not sure how many people have seen these types of pictures, but they’re just interesting, the connections between these people. Yeah, Fauci is another person that follows orders and administers punishment and knows how to very efficiently, bluntly, and crudely make things look right on the surface while stealing people’s ideas and blocking their 41:34 research. And do you have any idea why, again, just the relationship of Trump and this click of people, like Trump seems semi skeptical of what was happening? Why do you think he was letting Fauci kind of run the show? I think it was an actual indecision, not being a complete insider. I have a question about the general economy. Let’s say things now reopen, because that’s Trump wants this to happen in order to get reelected for lack of a better reason. How do you foresee things continuing? I mean, do you think that because it seems to me that the industry, the massive industry that generates profits for all the bankers and the elite, has gotten to the point where it cannot really produce profit on its own in each government money? That’s really where most of the profit comes from. They’re literally being handed money out. 42:39 This cannot really be sustainable. I mean, at some point, even the dumbest member of the public will say, well, hold on a second, we’ve already experienced two once in a generation recessions slash depressions. We have an entire generation calling them the millennials who have no concept of ever owning a house or retiring or having a vacation longer than a week. Even the regular people in the street are probably going to start to question this mode of operating where a crisis is manufactured now less than every 10 years. Do you think this will be the last such event before it collapse? If they can keep their attention on fearing a mystical virus, that I think they’re coming, keeping people under control, but they have, like the Wall Street, 43:41 Occupy Wall Street, they have their different layers of control ready. If one doesn’t work, they have the other. The money went right into the big corporations that failed to put it to use employing people. It created some temporary jobs, but most of the money didn’t really get to the people. As they realize that, maybe they’ll send out another way of money if it’s needed, but if people start going into the streets demanding change, then they have their other levels of responding. Okay, I see. Because to me, it seems that if we 44:45 hit unemployment levels of 50 million people, 50, you can’t bail all of these people out. And they’re not willing. They’re sending $1,200 checks as a one-time thing. At some point, these people will need to eat. And if you’re not willing to create a system of universal basic income, which it seems they’re not willing currently, these people have to do something. If the economy is destroyed and all of these large corporations, all they need is money, but not really employees, you’ll have to do something with those 50 million people. Yeah, I think this epidemic has given them an acceleration of what they were planning, but they’ll let up on it to relieve revolutionary pressure if needed. But we’ll 45:47 be ready with something else, terrorism, or something different to get the people’s attention. Right. Yeah, UBI would probably be the goal, right? Because if a person could never kind of accumulate wealth, that would be good for the power structure. Because you’d be totally subservient to their kind of technocratic grid. And if you stepped out of line, they could disable your UBI payment every month or something like that. Yeah, that process started in 1980 with the working and middle class failing to share in the increased productivity. But in this 40 years, how many people have caught onto that fact that everything is getting worse steadily for a whole generation? It’s very slow to 46:53 do. The implications are being deflected by the daily news. Public schools, colleges, and the mass media are constantly telling people that they’re still in the middle class. Ray, have you been privy to any of the pro doctor propaganda? Like if I scroll through the application Instagram, which is very popular, it’s many different videos of doctors dancing and having signs put together saying, stay home. And there seems to be a concentrated effort to promote doctors. And then James Corbett put together that he said, similar to the veterans of 9-11, the new heroes doctors will be to push an agenda, presumably so you don’t fight back when given your many, many vaccines. 47:57 Yeah, it’s all part of total subservience. 50 years ago, I was saying that it won’t be long until they keep people on the assembly line by installing a screw eye in their skull and attaching it to a trolley so that they can only go from the bathroom to the lunchroom to the assembly line and then home. But with the telephones, they don’t need the trolley wire. I think the social distancing right now has a, I mean, I suspect it has a more sinister role as well. They’re preventing the people from organizing, right? If there’s a sufficient number of people willing to not take up in arms, but at least start an organization like Occupy Wall Street by telling them stay home and by mandating it for them to stay home, 48:58 it’s an effective means of control because you can only achieve so much over a phone or computer. Yeah, and that way they don’t waste their pepper spray. Ray, did you anticipate this being the kind of, I don’t know what the right word is, the like a medical problem or a pandemic health problem being the, I mean, I can’t think of the word, the initiation for, yeah, the catalyst for the change like into the type of new world order situation. Is this kind of part of why you do what you do? Because it all kind of makes sense now, given how this thing is playing out. Yeah, the health thing has always been my sense of a point of reality where you might be able to, if you can’t show anyone what’s happening 49:58 politically, militarily in the outside world, you maybe can get their attention on the fact that it’s affecting their health, get them to contact whatever reality they have the potential for and maybe work from there. And I found that the progressive people were totally out of contact with that sort of reality. But the far right, I found people coming to my lectures, it was only the extreme right that was interested in health and survival and the same people who were saying that the communists were putting fluoride in the water. You can open that up and get them to realize that the corporations and the doctors 51:09 are doing the equivalent of putting fluoride, polluting their vital bodily fluids. Well, speaking of that, an article in 2014 said the WHO campaign is not about a mass sterilization exercise. Kenyan doctors find anti fertility agent in UN tetanus vaccine. And I guess this vaccine was laced with HCG. So do you, given your understanding of endocrinology, is that the type of thing that’s, I know there’s aluminum and mercury and the adjuvants are really harmful, but do you think the underlining idea behind vaccination is sterilization? Well, they found HCG in some of the African vaccines. And it’s known that that will sterilize you at least for a few years. And that was designed, you know, the CIA doesn’t announce 52:21 that they’re doing it or going to do it, but they plan for its possibility. And then someone always figures out how to speak it out into the world. You might have answered it, but I guess do you think the, like why Gates et al is so kind of determined to give people vaccines? Is that just to make them sicker? Or do you think there’s a specific, like kind of nefarious purpose, like they will add something that will be anti fertility? Oh, yeah, I think it’s background in population control is right there on the surface. Well, it’s hilarious that like the elite have several things in common, but one is we must depopulate. And then at the same time, Bill Gates and others are saying to take this vaccine so we 53:23 can save your lives. It doesn’t even register in just a basic way. It’s very odd. The idea of preventing epidemics by like the old 120 year ago Rockefeller idea of giving people shoes and food and curing endemic disease that way, that’s now too expensive. Vaccines are a matter of economy. The known effects of vitamin A and vitamin D are just making massive improvements in disease resistance of all sorts. That’s more expensive as cheap as those are. It’s more expensive than a vaccine, not even accounting the depopulation effect. 54:35 I don’t know if you see that. That’s all that article. I mean, I’m sure that’s the one you’re referring to the Kenyan one. It only talks about vaccinating the girls and HCG has a known anti fertility effect in girls, but apparently it works also in boys. And I found about this in a little bit of a roundabout way. Apparently, if a male buys a pregnancy test in the pharmacy and peas on it, and he comes back positive, that is a biomarker for testicular cancer. Apparently, the levels of HCG are elevated in males with testicular cancer. Conversely, there’s some serious research suggesting that if a male chronically uses a specific amount of HCG, they may give themselves testicular cancer, sort of like a permanent infertility agent, which goes way beyond what it can do in girls. Yeah, it’s dangerous stuff. I’ve been warning people not to use it as a diet 55:37 weight loss method because of that effect on estrogen and cancer. Are its effects similar to the human growth hormone, the one that people also inject with? Oh, no, not exactly, but yeah, that one has its age promoting effect, thickening the basement membranes and so imitating age changes, but the chorionic gonadotropin increases estrogen production and estrogen is produced by any type of cell in the body, so you don’t want to have untimely stimulation of estrogen. It’s so ironic that most of the Hollywood elite are injecting with HGH specifically for anti-aging purposes. I guess that’s why they look so horrible when you see them on TV. 56:41 Well, Ray, Georgie and I were talking yesterday about, I’m looking at a picture of John D. Rockefeller and his big news, Brzezinski, Soros. Why do you think these people personify or they aesthetically look evil? Do you ever thought about that? John D. Rockefeller is one of, I’m not saying this to be mean, but he’s objectively really disturbing looking. Why do you think that is? Yeah, the old women in that picture with the Rockefellers and other giants of civilization, they all look like Hollywood couldn’t design evil characters as well as that. Well, I was looking up some of these people and who was it? Maybe it was Irene Diamond and they all, I think she might have been involved in AIDS research and things and then somebody mentioned 57:47 on Twitter somewhere that this whole thing is really similar to AIDS. I was too young to have gone through that, but do you recall similarities? I’m looking at a magazine cover right now from Life in 1985, July 1984, 1985 when I was born and it says, now no one is safe from AIDS and it has a picture of a young boy, family and like some evil military person. No, I don’t think there’s much similarity except that they both damage your immunity and make you sick. Did I ever tell you the story of the guy from Fort Dietrich that told me about the AIDS research 11, 12 years before AIDS broke out? 1969, this guy came to one of my free university classes 58:48 and hung around afterwards and wanted to talk to me as a biology graduate student, someone that might take him seriously, but I didn’t even take him seriously enough to get his name and contact information, but he said he’d quit his job at Fort Dietrich because the people were seriously designing a virus that would be racially selective to kill Black people specifically and at that time nothing had been published on ethnic genetic tags that a virus could attach to, but two or three years later the first papers were published coming out of Fort Dietrich, exactly what he had said but without the purpose defined and my molecular biology professors honored those as great progress in science. 01:00:01 Do you think the plan changed at some point from like creating a virus to kill Black and gay people to to doing something different like just like the dysgenics kind of thing of poisoning everybody just making everybody basically have brain damage? Yeah, the plan is constantly developing it wasn’t perfected at an early date that it develops. And you think like the Rand Corporation and Tavistock and all these think tanks, they are making the plans for the elites and then they’re being kind of put into place and where are the recipients? Yeah, the universities are working out the details often without knowing it. I think my molecular biology professors were just jerks but they were playing right into the whole 01:01:07 scheme. Well they depend on government money like almost every other academic these days, right? Yeah. So I have a question about these viruses that are being engineered to harm the world. You will think that the people who create the poison would want to have the antidote for themselves. Do you think there is something behind the scenes that the elite possesses to protect itself? Or do you think the science is simply so pathological that they can create the poison but they can’t create the remedy? Oh, they probably know about vitamin D. Oh, GCMAP, right? That’s what came up a few times in terms of treatment. Which was that? GCMAF, apparently it’s like a receptor that’s activated by vitamin. Yeah, yeah. Okay. The idea of damaging the brain, the mass vaccination I think is objectively having that 01:02:16 effect. I looked at brain size in relation to body size trends over the decades and right when massive child vaccination expanded in the U.S., that was the first decade that the brain didn’t keep pace with the body growth in several countries around the world. The brains either got smaller or didn’t enlarge while the body did enlarge. So the brain body ratio has shrunk but starting with the decade of the 80s. And I’m sure you’ve seen the studies showing that the IQ, the average worldwide IQ, after enjoying a century of rising suddenly started dropping around the late 60s. And at this point it’s 30%!l(MISSING)ower than what it was in the 70s. 01:03:19 Yeah, but even the mass of the brain is now shrinking. Wow. I was perusing a PDF called like philanthropic influence and the global health agenda and it was like who sets the agenda talking about the Gates Foundation and the Rockefeller Foundation. And they said the Gates Foundation prioritization of the vaccine solution for multiple health problems reflects the Foundation’s preference for interventions with quick, measurable and visible solutions. One of Gavi’s and that’s an acronym for something senior representatives reported that Bill Gates often told him in private conversations that he is vehemently against health systems. He basically said it was a complete waste of money and that there was no evidence that it works. So I will not see a dollar or cent of my money to go to strengthening of health systems. And so I’m not pro, I mean doctors or anything, but doesn’t that 01:04:20 just speak volumes that they think vaccines and not cleaning up poverty or like you said giving supplements of basic things like vitamin D and A and they have to go with these experimental vaccines with massive conflicts of interest. It just seems totally insane. Yeah, I’m against medicine in general so Medicare for everyone would be a sort of an ideological thing but it would make many things worse. Well Ivan Illich preservation of the sick life of medically dependent people in an unhealthy environment is the principal business of the medical profession. Pretty much nails it. Yeah. So indirectly and probably without knowing that the far right are actually 01:05:24 protecting the population by being so heavily against any kind of a universal healthcare system. Yeah, in my experience the people who attend my lectures over the last 50 years, the people with superficial ideology that’s called far right, they very often have contact with reality and life. They’re actually more pro-life than the so-called left who say they are pro-life. I think it might be a fairly easy thing to overcome that verbal identification of ideology right and left and get people to pay attention to what it is to be an organism. 01:06:28 And organisms are naturally tending towards altruism and empathy and that’s a biological thing that so-called right-wingers are not impaired as people only as ideologues. And so if there’s a way that they can reattach themselves to the world, they’ve already got the sort of a body commitment to not being fascist. Wow, that’s amazing. So how do you reconcile that with their idea? Because most far-right people are very heavily pro-death penalty, pro-gun rights, pro-somebody walks on your loam, you’re allowed to shoot them kind of thing or saying that the people that you think are more in contact with the other are even further right towards the 01:07:30 libertarian slash anarchist side that they don’t even believe in government and terror and whatnot, they just want to be left alone. Yeah, the people that identify as libertarian are among the most available. I’ve known lots of them and the ones that have studied it and make an ideology of it, things like death penalty combined with libertarianism. I think there’s an old-fashioned kind of conservative. Do you know who Ron Wundt is? Or UNZ? Is that the UNZ.com? Yeah, UNZ reports or something? 01:08:37 Yeah, he has identified himself. He was a publisher of American conservative and has been identified as a right-wing extremist, but some of his publications are much more progressive than things you see in Counterpunch, for example. I think a Whitney Webb started writing for the UNZ review not long ago, and she’s somebody that went deep on Epstein and all his connections. Speaking of Epstein, Bill Gates is, according to The New York Times, Bill Gates met with Jeffrey Epstein many times despite his past, so Jeffrey Epstein is this convicted pedophile child trafficker, and then Bill Gates continues to meet with him. And what do you make of that, Ray? The worship of power. Epstein flaunted his connections with power. He knew everyone 01:09:50 powerful, and that attracted Bill Gates wanting to associate himself with power wherever it was. I think the CIA has tried to infiltrate itself into every conceivable culture movement, and probably the pedophiles are being manipulated by the CIA as much as the religious groups and political groups. I was listening to a Whitney Webb called Maria Farmer, who had, I think, worked for Epstein on his island, and she wasn’t allowed to leave, 01:10:54 and she said some ridiculous stuff. She would see five girls, young girls, per day visiting Epstein, but if you try to find out what Epstein actually did, it’s actually difficult. I don’t know what the exact, what he was charged with, but it’s not even close in the realm of what Maria Farmer is talking about, and she knew Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein pretty well. And then she was talking about what happened to all these people, and it just getting very dark pretty quickly. But anyways, Whitney Webb said that Epstein was into eugenics too. So again, just another point for all these kind of eugenics crazy elite people. I think Ghislaine Maxwell is pretty obviously an Israeli intelligence asset. She’s either like her father, like father, like daughter, I guess. 01:11:56 I mean, I think it’s pretty obvious her job was probably to collect compromising information on all of the beautiful files that were visited in the ranch. I wouldn’t be surprised if they have like a video on most of the powerful people in the world right now doing something nefarious, and that’s how they get what they want from them. Yeah, right after Epstein was arrested, there was a little bit of news about the nature of the photographs they found in his house and safe. But after he was killed, nothing more has come out. Do you think they’ll ever reopen the investigation? Do you think people have forgotten the social memories is way too short? And now nobody, everybody’s attention is now onto the virus, and nobody cares about Epstein anymore? Yeah, yeah. Events like that erase the immediate past and let us move on. 01:12:59 What do you make of Trump’s connections with Epstein? Oh, he didn’t seem to be as close as Bill Gates or Bill Clinton. Clinton and, oh, the lawyer, Harvard lawyer professor. Dershowitz, yeah. They had many more contacts than Trump. Wasn’t Dershowitz, isn’t this the Harvard lawyer who wrote a couple of opeds saying that torture should be legal, or am I thinking of somebody else? But what should be legal? There was a famous Harvard lawyer who wrote a couple of opeds. Yeah, he did. Stepping back a bit, just because I like to talk about it, but the Tritlateral Commission, 01:14:02 and this being, I think the thing is that Brzezinski wrote Between Two Ages, and then Rockefeller saw that book, and then he created the Trilateral Commission. Do you see that as, if people are trying to trace back where we’re at today, do you see the Trilateral Commission as something important to investigate? Not especially. I think the Birch Society was pretty well investigating it, but the people on the far right press were giving a good picture of what his plans were. I think the only thing I’d like to pose this question to you, Ray, which is worse, the possibility of getting a virus that could kill you, especially if you have comorbidities, 01:15:03 or have your life savings wiped out, your home foreclosed, your car repossessed, your kids’ college dreams being crushed, maybe that’s okay, and living on welfare. What do you think is worse to you? Oh, I always would prefer the disease. Because it’s usually less severe than, especially if you’re not visiting a doctor, right? Yeah, I don’t believe the disease is especially harmful, so not much conflict between… I know you’ve talked about it in multiple interviews, but can we talk about transmission of disease? Is the transmission of viruses between people just kind of an inherent property of human communication, or what do you make of that? The idea of social distancing in general, like if I go outside and I have coronavirus, I’m going to kill grandma. What do you make of that? 01:16:10 The mechanism by which it reproduces itself, it goes in and activates the enzymes that copy the RNA and make the proteins that form the capsule, and then fast numbers pour out through the endoplasmic reticulum and are secreted. That mechanism is already making retrovirus particles that, under a microscope and by chemical analysis, are structural close analogs of the various virus particles, and they only began to be really studied at the beginning of this century, the exosomes, micro vesicles, and various names for them. 01:17:11 The serum and the lymph are really full under an ordinary microscope. They’re basically invisible dust in the background, but when you look at that dust under a microscope, they are these highly organized vesicles with a structured cytoplasm like cover, and RNA, DNA, enzymes, lipids, and so on. The fact that maybe half of our DNA collection, it consists of things that structurally look like retroviral copied DNA, and when we’re under stress, we pour out large quantities of these exosomes that are thought to 01:18:14 be a communication between different tissues, like an injured lung will send exosomes that are absorbed by bone marrow cells, which then make particular kind of white blood cells that have the capacity to repair the lung. They’re known to have communication property in the organism, and they are abundantly present in maternal milk, and they’re taken up through the intestine wall as immune support for the baby, and they’re known to be able to enter the gonads in a way that would make them candidates for what Darwin called gemmules. He thought they accounted for the inheritance of acquired properties, the developing organ 01:19:22 influenced by the environment would accumulate its properties and send them to the gonads for reproductive copying. And in bacteria, starting with the simplest organism, bacteria can make particles like this, which they transmit through a tube to other bacteria that lack the resistance factor, for example, for antibiotics, but bacteria have been using this before antibiotics were thought of. It’s a communication, a genetic interchange between species and individuals of the same species or across very different bacterial types to share 01:20:23 acquired information. And since we can use it within the organism, I think individuals probably habitually share stuff like this. For example, you can find the DNA from a woman’s previous partners in her tissues, all of her tissues can be penetrated by the DNA she has been exposed to through semen. And I think that since the gonads are known to be able to take up these exosomes, that the semen will probably be found to contain lots of these exosomes, which look like under structured like viruses. And if bacteria can 01:21:30 do it, I think it’s probably a routine thing for other organisms. And their existence hadn’t been suspected by Western science until just about the beginning of the century. And so even though people were writing about the apparent cross phylum transmission of genes 50, 60 years ago, it wasn’t acceptable to talk about it. But now I think the way viruses came into being when I talk to my professors about it, they just didn’t want to talk about it because they have to evolve in organisms and what that means they didn’t want to consider. But since we now know that exosomes are repair material and cross 01:22:33 individual communication, at least in bacteria, probably it’s involved in that adoption of DNA from semen. It’s probably something happening all the time that we take up exosomes. And I think when an animal is very sick, it’s known that the exosomes participate in making amplifying the sickness instead of correcting the sickness. The serum from an old animal accelerates aging of a young animal and young serum retards aging of an old animal. And it’s probably the presence or absence of harmful exosomes that accounts for that property of serum. 01:23:36 And I think it’s reasonable that sometimes these exosomes of stressed individuals become toxic enough that that would account for where viruses came from. I have a question and actually just a restatement and a question. So is it do you think it’s fair to say that viruses are basically a very efficient way of horizontal gene transfer? That’s there will be one of their primary purposes? Of doing what? Of viruses being one of their primary purpose in nature would be to enable horizontal gene transfer across organisms. Right, right. Within organisms, that’s established. But I think organisms other than bacteria are doing it. Okay, and then I guess my question which is related to the first one is if their communication, if their purpose is also as a communication mechanism across organisms, 01:24:41 would it make sense to say that let’s say if an organism is very stressed in producing a lot of these viruses, that would be a signal to the organisms surrounding it that the environment is suboptimal so that those organisms can mount the defensive response, so to speak. Right, just like bacteria. When you’re healthy, like 80%!o(MISSING)f the people who contract coronavirus don’t even notice it. I think they’re potentially constructive assistance, improving our immune system. Okay, I’ve seen a few fascinating articles. Many of them are from the 60s and 70s before really like the medical authorities clamped down and controlled the information fully. But there’s some older studies showing that nurses working in specific wards at the hospital tend to come down and sometimes even die with the exact same diseases of the people that they’re taking taking care of. Do you think that maybe sort of this maybe 01:25:44 explainable by this communication mechanism? If a nurse is taking care of only cancer patients, they emit something, whether it’s a virus or some other chemical messenger that eventually makes the organism of that healthy person also succumb. I mean, it’s known that being around sick people is not a good thing and conversely being around healthy young people is beneficial for health. Yeah, that’s been known since ancient China times. Okay, so the viruses could be one of those mechanisms, like a very sick person would emit these viruses and initially the nurse taking care of the person, her organism or his organism would be sort of warned. But if the environment is suboptimal, eventually that becomes pathological, being around these people who emit warning signals all the time. Yeah, that’s basically my interpretation and why I don’t worry about this particular type of respiratory infection. Do you surround yourselves with healthy young people, 01:26:48 Ray? I don’t know. I would if I did. Do you still teach at the University of Oregon? Oh, no, not for many years. Okay, because you mentioned you were giving some free courses and I was wondering, how did the university allow you to provide a free course that socialism? In that 1968 revolution of the students, they temporarily got student initiated courses. If you could get a professor in the department to authorize it, you could find your own teacher to teach the course. And students that I knew invited me to teach courses in biology, psychology, anthropology, nutrition, and even one in philosophy. And that was permitted for 01:27:58 about 15 years, I guess, and then they shut it down. Any particular reason why you don’t teach anymore? Well, I used to regularly lecture in places like health food stores would sponsor my lectures and I would line up a row down the coast and then do it so I could drive between sites. On one trip, I had contacted someone about publishing my books who was a distributor to the health food industry. And they saw that what I was saying about unsaturated fads. And on that trip, all of my scheduled lectures were canceled without explanation 01:29:02 at the health food store in San Diego, which had regular deal with a church auditorium for their weekly lectures. The guy who was in charge of the lectures was fired and unavailable when I got there and the people in charge didn’t know that I had been scheduled. But all along the way, there were these mysterious cancellations. So that was the last time I went on my lecture trips. Do you think at this point my academia has become so authoritarian there’s basically no point bothering trying to do anything with them? Yeah, when someone went to the dean of the graduate school and wanted me to teach a course on cell water, the dean said, but there’s no literature on it. He would just be making it up. 01:30:12 One of my old professors recently got fired for trying to invite Dewsburg for speaking at Georgetown University here in DC. As soon as the dean found out, basically, that person, even though he was a tenor professor, got kicked out because it was considered that Dewsburg is a quack and no respectable university would want to associate themselves with inviting that person to even speak. Not so much related to academia, but Ray, one of my favorite things reading from you was when you were having the back and forth with a Mary Enig, but it might have been somebody she was working with. And they were like, the only PhD Ray has is in disinformation. And you replied something like, where did she learn about my PhD and misinformation? I never tell anyone. It cracks me up every time. I have some questions about the microbiome. 01:31:17 If you want to switch more on a health related topic. Remind me, 5G is something I do want to touch on, but go ahead. Yeah. So I was recently reading an article, it was in a popular press magazine, but basically, it looks like the story with the microbiome is very similar to the story with the essential, quote unquote, fatty acids. Now this article came out, which said that whoever told people that the microbiome in people is obligate that we really need it, there is no, as it turns out, there is no evidence for that. When they started, the journal started digging and interviewing other scientists, the people who were really studying the issue said, I don’t know why, why medicine claims that having bacteria in your colon is a good thing. Having a microbiome in nature is by far the exception, rather than the rule. So what do you comment on that? And back when many people were healthy, the small intestine was known to be sterile, 01:32:22 all the way from the mouth to the cecum was germ free, but now something like 80 or 90 percent have bacterial living way up to the duodenum. So, I mean, you basically agree with the fact that there’s basically no evidence right now showing that even the colon really needs bacteria. Yes, it will probably get colonized, but in terms of its effects on health, we’re being fear monger here that you have to have this bacteria, otherwise we’ll die, our immune system will collapse, et cetera, et cetera. There is no evidence for that. I mean, if you look at literature, nothing exists. Yeah, did you read Bogomolot? I don’t know how you pronounce his name, but he was a follower of Metchnikov, and he said that aging is caused by these bacteria, 01:33:22 that the shorter the colon and the quicker the food goes through, so fewer bacteria grow, the longer you live, gave examples of parents. Food goes in and comes right out quickly. So, that may be maybe behind the reason why some of the Hollywood elite are experimenting with total intravenous nutrition as a way of sort of retarding aging. I don’t know if you’ve seen the articles on that too. I mean, they’re starting to transfuse blood from young people too, which is probably the more sinister version of it, but they’re apparently also looking at not eating, but just injecting themselves with this complete diet that’s supposed to be healthy for them. Yeah, there’s a lot of information on germ-free animals, and they are very healthy for a much longer time than germ-ridden animals. Do you think the this theory that we need our microbiome and we have to feed it with all of 01:34:29 these pro and prebiotics, do you think that’s more of an example of institutional stupidity, or do you think there’s something more sinister here at play that’s trying to keep us sick? No, I think that’s a good case for stupidity. For years, I’ve followed the work of several well-known biologists, and for decades I couldn’t decide whether they were evil or just stupid, but then when they died following their own advice, I decided that they were just stupid. What is that expression, don’t attribute to malice, what can be explained by stupidity? Right, right. You want to talk about 5G? What is your take on the, I mean, I don’t know this for sure, but it seems like 5G towers are going up during this time, so is 5G something needed for the technocratic slave grid, or what is your take on it? 01:35:34 Yeah, I think it makes the control messages faster and more powerful and unavoidable, but at least with that stuff, we can put a screen on the wall between us and the tower, or on the roof, and attach it to ground so that we have a fair day cage around us, and defend ourselves if we stay indoors. Otherwise, we’ll have to get tinfoil hats with a dragging wire. Well, you told me this a long time ago, but chicken wire can defend against the cell phone towers, but then you have to get a finer mesh for something like 5G, is that right? Right. And just because I’m sure we’ll be asked, what do you think of the idea that 5G is causing the symptoms of coronavirus? 01:36:35 Every little thing hurts. Everything that is stressing you using up vitamin A and tending to lower your blood sugar is making you more susceptible and tending towards an inflammatory state, and it’s just that the virus adds to all of the other things you’ve been exposed to stressing you. The virus is one more trigger for the shift to inflammation, but endotoxin from intestinal bacteria is producing exactly the symptoms the virus does, and similar to high-altitude brain and lung edema, all of those stressors when you aren’t adapting properly. High-altitude people who are hyperventilating at sea level, 01:37:41 hyperventilation becomes more dangerous at high-altitude, and the symptoms of hypothyroid hyperventilation overlap with endotoxin and that overlaps with coronavirus symptoms and so on. All of the diseases end up with the same cascade of inflammatory reactions, and all of the defensive pro-energy anti-inflammatory things, thyroid, vitamin D, progesterone, calcium, aspirin, and lusard, for example. All of these are beneficial against aging, all of the infections, cancer, heart disease. They’re all working to support the system. 01:38:46 All of the bad things are working to inflame and deflate the system. One thing I think we’ve kind of covered it, but I just want to beat the point into the ground, but I think I have trouble and I know other people have trouble understanding the power elite or whatever you want to call them. They’re how they think about things, and something I did pick up from Jay Dyer, who’s been going through each of the globalist books. They write books and they tell you what they want to do, and he’s just going through them and reading them. Something he said that stood out to me is the scientific priest class, they think of themselves as engineers of evolution, and they think that because they have this privileged place and these privileged blood lines and things, that they think they should steer evolution in a certain direction. They’re disgenic plan to basically kill everybody or to make everybody really stupid. They see it as a 01:39:47 good thing because they have the ability to do that, so they should do that. Yeah, their image of the elite happens to overlap with stupidity. If you look at the most influential people in our culture, their meritocracy is somewhat of an idiotocracy. Well, I have some quotes from John D. Rockefeller from… Ray, have you ever heard of the book Rockefeller Medicine Med by E. Richard Browne? I don’t think so. It talks about how the AMA and the whole modern medical system was established by the Rockefellers, like their specialization and things like that. But it has some choice quotes by John D. and God gave me money, and he thus called upon to explain, I believe, 01:40:53 the power to make money as a gift from God and to be developed and to do the best of our ability for good of mankind. I believe it is my duty to make money and still more money and to use the money I make for the good of my fellow man according to the dictates of my conscience. Of course, we know that to him, I guess, that met Eugenics and the science of his day, to make the world a better place. Yeah, I have a question. Do you think, Ray, do you think most of these people, the evil ones that are driven to harm the world, do you think they’re driven by sort of like an internal disturbed psyche because of serotonin, estrogen, etc., or do you think there’s some religious reason behind it? A lot of them seem to espouse or worship or practice these weird religious cults, even though some of them are 01:41:53 atheists, but many of them seem to be really religious and dedicated to their cult. Do you think there’s a religion that specifically enables that or like an offshoot, like a perversion of a specific religion that does that? Or do you think it’s mostly some people got in a position of power and decided that they should do it because they can’t do it? I think a lot of it is what Wilhelm Reich explained as the effects of childhood harm coming into the culture and being educated by parents, like Hitler’s father was a sadistic authoritarian. The mothers and fathers both instill a kind of authoritarian stupidity, elitism, especially in the elite, the children of the elite 01:42:58 get a horrible dose of that kind of destructive authoritarian upbringing. So maybe they got damaged in childhood and then they grew up and found a religion that justifies their behavior. Whether it’s Satanism or child abuse, it fits a distorted personality. I’ve always wondered that. Do you think these really sick people are shown something or that they cannot give up? Or is it just like basic primal things like sex slaves and other things in power and they don’t want to give that up? Because it just seems so, again, their psyche is so hard to grapple with of how insane they are. Yeah, I think if you think of the organism as having only a certain 01:44:02 range of behaviors, the authoritarian system has its preferred ways of being stupid, stupid and violent and cruel and self-centered. It goes with a patterning of the endocrine system that makes the brain tend towards verbalism, rationalism, mechanistic thinking rather than open empirical exploratory attitude towards everything. I have a question in regards to that. In one of your interviews you said that we have to begin an end with being an animal into this world, right? I don’t know of any animal that behaves in as twisted and capable in behaving as twisted as perverted way as a human. Do you think that’s coming from the fact that humans have a wider range of possible behaviors compared to animals? 01:45:06 No, I think it’s the exploitive culture taking form through language, how language shapes the way you look at the world and yourself. It closes off things right from when people start thinking. They start losing their animal intelligence to the extent that they identify with those authoritarian elements of how the cultures are set up. Do you think animals are capable of similar behaviors like humans as being atrocious to others? Not to that extent. They show damage by being fearful or aggressive, but nothing very close to human authoritarianism. 01:46:11 Like a vicious dog or a fearful dog, their brain can be restored to a great extent along with their hormones. So what is the human capacity or human faculty that allows humans to behave in an intentionally evil way and often even planning these evil things decades ahead? Is it our higher intelligence? Yeah, the big cortex that can be so taken over by language and culture. Okay, so basically with capacity, there is also capacity for evil. So it’s just the capacity and how you use it depends on your upbringing in the environment. Yeah, the choice between culture and life. Culture can be an extension of life and a tool for improving life, but so far cultures have been 01:47:20 heavy in the direction of control and reduction rather than expansion. Ray, in six months, when you’re forced to buy the new iPhone and show the grocery person a QR code that you don’t have coronavirus so you can buy milk, what are you going to do? Leave, I think. Where would you go? Yeah, that won’t catch on for a long time in small towns in Latin America. In one of the articles, you said that civilization’s best chance of escaping the fascism is somewhere in western Latin America. You didn’t specify a country, but do you have one in mind? Oh, it varies with the type of indigenous people that have influenced that region. 01:48:27 There are areas in Mexico where people are just extremely open and humanistic because of the nature of the original culture. They’re shaping, completely overwhelming the sadistic Spanish imposed culture. I think there are probably many areas through Latin America where the indigenous population has won the mind effectively. In Mexico, it’s just a cultural thing that the government and police are totally corrupt. I didn’t meet anybody that didn’t know that. In America, you have to convince somebody that that is the case. The realism is everywhere in Mexico. No matter where you are, you know that 01:49:32 people have some basic sanity that it’s fairly, you have to be careful in the United States who you’re talking to. You see that given how quickly things have changed. Do you think you could even leave in maybe a year or two? Do you think it will get that draconian or how do you see it playing out? You have to know the back roads. I have a question about 5G. I’m sure you already know about Einstein’s photoelectric effect and that’s actually what’s used to justify the quote-unquote safety of most of these technologies. They’re saying, well, look, this is non-ionizing radiation. But at this point, even the National Institute of Health has come out with papers of its own studies saying non-ionizing radiation is clearly carcinogenic and there is also an effect correlation with the higher frequency. 01:50:33 Even though higher frequency penetrates less deeply into the body, it discharges more of its energy similar to the way the cosmic rays affect you differently depending on what altitude you’re at. Do you think the higher frequency is worse? A lot of it is functions as an antenna, like a vitamin A and keratin function as an antenna for riboflavin reaction with blue light. So that’s toxic and very harmful to the extent that it gets in your tissue. The whole idea that only ionization is damaging, that’s part of why the membrane theory and random activity of enzymes communication in the cytoplasm is being in ordinary water 01:51:36 dissolve molecules. If the water is organized and an organizing principle for coherence throughout the cell and tissue, then that becomes an antenna for sound frequencies, all of the various frequencies of electromagnetic oscillations and that’s part of the power behind the purest denial of structured water in cells is that it opens up this whole range of interaction with the environment that industry furiously refuses. So the higher the frequency, I’m guessing because it’s the shorter the wavelength, the more opportunity for molecules in the body to act as an antenna to those frequencies? Yeah, the radio waves are the least likely to interact, but when they get down 01:52:46 to the wavelength of your brain or your gonad, for example, those wavelengths are especially toxic to those encapsulated organs because the capsule itself captures like an antenna. That’s very interesting and it’s actually sort of confirmed by the studies that NIH published because they saw different cancers in different organs depending on the frequency. It wasn’t a universal cancer effect, it was organ specific. Yeah, there’s a lot of information on that, but it goes against the dogma that says it’s all random stuff inside the cell. I was surprised to actually see that study being published by NIH. I thought that these scientists would probably get fired. I haven’t checked up on them. It came out last year, but they seem to be still being employed. I don’t know why they’re published. 01:53:49 Often they don’t know what the meaning is of what they observe and so it gets published. Too late, it’s already on the street. Ray, something you said in another interview was about how when this all started, like who was it like the Iran people that were running Iran were the first people to get the virus and I thought that was interesting and I’ve only heard one or two other people even talk about that. Can you repeat it? Oh yeah, the parliament in Iran, several of them died very quickly and it was centered on the political people in power exactly as German warfare ideally works. And do you think like a more virulent strain or something like that was released to them or is just the ace inhibiting properties enough to kill an unhealthy person? 01:54:51 No, I think they probably had a more effective strain for the Iran elite. And is there anything to the idea that there isn’t like a central bank in Iran and I think North Korea is the other place and so there has been a concentrated effort to kind of invade these places to set up banks? Yeah, the whole idea of an autonomous government just isn’t acceptable. It’s a way out like college, it was a way out for students to find a place where they could honestly talk to people and learn if you have an autonomous country they can do things and come up with new ways of living. And just because I’m an economic idiot but like when a bank is in like they establish a central bank somewhere and what are they loaning money to 01:55:57 the country and then they’re in debt? Is that how it works? Yeah, everyone has to be in debt to be controllable and it has to be in dollars and the countries that want to use gold or their own currency or like Libya was getting away from the dollar and creating their own currency and gold for exchange and so they had to be murdered. Speaking of currencies, not many people know but even though this is already officially admitted by the US government but the reason Iraq was invaded aside from the fact that this whole thing with the weapon of mass destruction was a lie is that Iraq was trying to set up a separate oil exchange that would trade the oil not in dollars but in something else and the moment they announced that within a week they were invaded. 01:56:58 Similar to how MLK was killed the moment he made poverty the issue and not the race. Yeah and the empire is hoping that shaking down the world economy will delay the evasion of the dollar by the China-Russia-Iran interactions. That’s the big threat to the dollar currently and it’s the hope that that will be slowed down enough that the empire can survive. Okay thank you so much for everybody in the chat. Thank you Georgie. Thank you Ray. How are we doing on time Ray? Are you good? Let me read the super chats real quickly. These are not questions. 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Oh, basically, you can’t tell, but if people start interacting and actually realizing that it’s a desperate choice that has to be made, 02:01:09 intelligence is the nature of life. And I think intelligence will come to the surface in the process and that everyone who has knowledge of possibilities is just there to support the process of making decisions, but without knowing what it’s going to look like. I’m optimistic without having any idea of what’s to come. And Georgie, closing words? In one of his interviews, Dr. Pete said that he would like to see nutrition raised to the respect level of astrophysics. I think that’s actually starting to happen right now. Mostly by coercion, simply because people will be forced to start taking matters nutritionally into their own hands, simply because the food chain will collapse if you can even call it a food, providing food or whatnot, but that’s the positive side that I’m seeing. People will start 02:02:14 worrying more about nutrition and its quality and less about exactly what kind of car they drive and what company they work for, if that company even exists in the next few months. I’ll call it there, guys. Thank you so much. Ray, stay on the line. We’ll just keep you for a minute or two. Georgie, thank you so much. Ray, again, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Sincerely appreciate it. Being flexible with the timing and things. It was a true pleasure to have you on again. Thank you so much. Thank you, everybody, in the chat. Thank you, everybody, who donated. I will forward those to Ray. And Ray, you got the donation last time, correct? Right. Thank you. I just want to confirm. Thank you, guys, everybody. Sincerely appreciate it. I have an amazing audience. Please like this episode because YouTube will do absolutely nothing to promote it and it will probably actively hide it. So, guys, thank you so much. Again, amazing. Very happy. Take care, everyone. 02:10:18 Thank you.