Tell Me What You Eat & I Will Tell You What You Are

00:00 green herbal medicine. I run a clinic in Garbable where I consult with clients about a wide range of conditions and recommend herbal medicine and dietary advice. So you’re listening to ask your herb doctor on KMUD Garbable 91.1 FMN from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o’clock. You’re invited to call in with any questions either related or unrelated to this month’s subject of you are what you eat. The number here if you live in the area is 9233911 or if you live outside the area a toll-free number is 1-800-568-3723. So you are what you eat. This phrase has come to us via quite a tortuous route. Anne Thelme Brilat Savarin wrote in Physiology du Gout ou Meditation des Gastronomies Transcendants in 1826 saying tell me what you eat and I will tell you what you are. In an essay titled Concerning Spiritualism and Materialism 1863-1864 Ludwig 01:04 Andreas Feuerbach wrote Dementist was er ist. So that translates into English as man is what he eats. Neither Brilat Savarin or Feuerbach meant their quotations to be taken literally. They were stating that the food one eats has a bearing on one state of mind or and or health. The actual phrase didn’t emerge in English until sometime later. In the 1920s and 30s the nutritionist Victor Lindler who was a strong believer in the idea that food controls health developed the catabolic diet. Now that view gained some adherents at the time and the earliest known printed example is from an advert for beef in a 1923 edition of the Bridgeport Telegraph for United Meat Markets. In Australia as elsewhere nearly half of the population will experience a mental health problem at some point in their lives and this means even people who are not personally affected are likely to know someone who has experienced 02:06 such an illness and research now suggests that depression and dementia are affected by the quality of our diets across the life course. Indeed studies from countries as diverse as Norway, Spain, Japan, China, the United Kingdom, the United States and Australia show people whose diets are healthier are less likely to experience depression. The most recent evident points to the importance of the mother’s diets for the mental and physical health of their children and I know Dr Raymond Pete has been very very keen to point out that mother’s nutrition is extremely important setting up the child’s future and Dr Pete is with us in the show in a few minutes here we’ll be introducing Dr Pete and hearing his perspective on UR what you eat because I know he has some very very unique ways and perspectives of looking at this subject. Now the role of nutrition on development is an obvious one but mostly ignored or overlooked in the perspective of health and well-being and the concept of homeostasis that is the 03:10 constancy of the inner environment or internal milieu was first originally forminated by the French physiologist Claude Bernard who was alive from 1813 to 1878 and he was a French physiologist. Well Dr Pete thanks so much for joining us. Okay so as always people who have tuned into the show who may not have heard you I would appreciate if you would give an outline of your academic and professional background before we get into tonight’s subject. After I had studied in the humanities and taught art and English and various things I decided to go back to graduate school in biology at 1968 University of Oregon and wrote my dissertation on the age-related changes in oxidative metabolism in the hamster uterus and how it affects fertility with aging and that involved hormones and nutrition 04:21 among other things and how the environment affects those factors especially the efficiency of metabolism using oxygen and since then I’ve been writing and doing consultations and trying to figure things out still working on some of those same themes oxidative metabolism and aging the whole idea of metabolic efficiency there’s one of my current themes and Lindar that you just mentioned his idea of the catabolic diet was to choose foods for their metabolic inefficiency because people eating to satisfy their appetite tend to get fat on the available foods and he found that 05:26 that he could get people to lose fat very consistently and quickly by choosing certain foods that increased their metabolic rate so that they could burn calories faster than they were eating and that was in the 1920s when he did that research and just by chance a few years later George Burr who was studying the effect of fats in the diet found that if he made his rats deficient in the unsaturated fatty acids they burned calories at a terrific rate as much as 50 percent faster than normal and he thought that was bad and he became very popular with the 06:30 agricultural industry because they found that feeding those polyunsaturated fats to pigs and chickens and such they would gain weight quickly and cheaply without eating very much food just the opposite of what Lindar wanted to do was to find foods that would decrease the efficiency of the metabolism so that people would produce heat without gaining weight. Do you know what kind of foods Lindar advocated? Lots of fruits and vegetables including fruit juices. Okay and the standard nutritional education emphasizes the concept of specific dynamic action or the thermogenic effect of various foods and it’s widely recognized that eating protein increases 07:39 your body temperature and heat production by quite a bit 15 or 20 percent and sugar a little less than that. I know you’ve mentioned I don’t mean to interrupt but I know you’ve mentioned quite a lot in the past about coconut being thermogenic. Coconut oil sorry. Yeah I think there are many reasons for that and the coconut is a very highly saturated fat and it happens that the unsaturated fats interfere with the mitochondrial use of oxygen in several ways by producing free radicals inflammation and by interfering in a variety of ways with thyroid hormone function. So all along the line the polyunsaturated fats slow down oxidative metabolism and so if you if 08:45 your body is soaked in these conventional seed oils then when you eat coconut oil especially the shorter very mobile fatty acids that are only a third or half as long as the standard fats these move in the cells very quickly and oxidize without that anti-thyroid effect the seed oils mostly have. Okay interesting. Okay so Victor Landler then came up with the the paper on catabolic a catabolic diet so the opposite of anabolism which is to build muscle and catabolism is to break it down with the production of heat. In the 50s and 60s people were experimenting with what kind of diet is efficient for losing fat and to still maintain your health and they 09:50 did experiments in which people would just have pure water for 10 days or 14 days and then they would analyze what happened to their bodies and they found that they lost almost pure fat a pure protein during that time very little fat right right okay and if they have eight maybe six to 800 calories per day during that same 10 to 14 days they would lose mostly fat and very little protein. Interesting because that’s the muscle mass that a person loses when they fast or for example if they’re using like you said that water for 10 days that you actually the first thing is you would lose is your muscle mass isn’t it? Yeah and that’s why many women are dieting constantly and getting fatter because uh explain that a little bit uh if they eat an extremely low calorie diet creating stress the uh high cortisol and other stress hormones cause them to break down 10:55 their protein and their big muscles shrink so the typical dieter will you can hardly see her calf muscles to become so atrophied then the big skeletal muscles even at rest burn fat to maintain themselves okay almost a pure fat diet when they’re at rest okay and so the more dieting they do if they do it extremely smaller their muscles get and the easier it is to get fat the next time they eat a normal diet right and you you said with the addition of how much how much fat was the addition that caused the uh the protein to be conserved in that diet? Oh um they’ve fed them different foods um like a mixed diet a little protein a little uh carbohydrate and uh not especially a low fat intake but just so that they they were able to 12:03 get some of their calorie needs from the diet rather than from their tissues because um when you’re in the first day on a fast your body uses up the sugar that’s stored as glycogen and uh as soon as your blood sugar falls because you’ve used up your stores then your cortisol rises first the adrenaline then the cortisol and the cortisol having no food available it starts converting your thymus gland and the big skeletal muscles mostly uh to uh free amino acids which then can be some of them are converted to glucose to feed your blood cells and brain and eyes and so on because uh those have an absolute requirement 13:04 for glucose and so even a plain sugar diet to supply that uh minimal amount of your brain and blood cells are required that will greatly prevent the uh rising cortisol and loss of good tissue. Okay um you’re listening to Ask Europe doctor on KMUD Galbovo 91.1 FM and from 7.30 until the end of the show uh you’re invited to call in with any questions either related or unrelated to this month’s topic of you are what you eat uh we’re joined by Dr Raymond Pete um and he has a wealth of experience and knowledge that he’s currently sharing and Dr Pete it’s it’s well established I just want to jump on to this next subject of and probably spend a little bit more time on what’s coming out in science about the what they call the microbiome of a person’s body it’s well established that your gut apparently is your second brain providing more input to your 14:08 brain than the brain provides to it and this is why your gut health is largely related in your gut bacteria including your mental health and emotional well-being um so it’s been there’s quite a few quite a few journal articles that have come out in 2013 and 2014 about the microbiome and making links specifically to disease processes and the microbiome and um I know that you advocate several several dietary factors that I think inadvertently are modulating if you like the microbiome and I think the the science bringing about the explanation of the microbiome is now justifying what you’re saying about for example indigestible fibers like bamboo shoots carrots etc as being healthful in terms of their modulating the microbial content of the gut and along with things like cascara I know you talk a lot about cascara not 15:09 just for bowel motility and improving bowel function and waste clearance but also because the cascara itself has a a cyclic structure quite similar to tetracycline in terms of it being a similar antibiotic in the gut and how this affecting bacterial colonies in a positive way to remove bad bacteria actually allows normal healthy bacteria to flourish and therefore modulate the the gut as an organism um yeah and it’s interesting that both emodin from cascara or a Chinese rhubarb and such and tetracycline and related minocycline and doxycycline these are anti-inflammatory as well as antiseptic and emodin and tetracycline have a surprising range of 16:11 good effects anti-inflammatory and probably mood-improving minocycline is being found to prevent possibly improve dementia Alzheimer’s disease and emodin has every year it seems like there are half a dozen new functions that are found for emodin including improving the the flora of the intestine emodin am i right in thinking that emodin is also present in aloe vera yeah yeah lots of plants yeah generally they’re laxative plants right right but the it isn’t the typical purging kind of laxative if the emodin if the cascara isn’t properly aged right it does have an irritating purging effect but an aging 17:13 of makes it insoluble in water comparatively and it loses the irritating inflammatory property and becomes anti-inflammatory and sedative and it actually increases the production of energy while having a nerve calming sedative effect and this again is that red the red compound you’ve mentioned in the past that has been is energetically favorable in terms of its both electron quenching activity and its anti-inflammatory activity yeah as a sort of a side blind to my research in graduate school on what causes oxidative metabolism to go down with aging i would look for all kinds of plant and animals that were colored and do extracts and 18:16 look for things that stimulated oxidative metabolism and i got the interest partly from cent George’s work he found that the the color of cells is closely connected to the oxidative process for example the deep maroon or purple color of the liver and certain areas of the brain are deeply pigmented he knew that i didn’t have any the usual functions of pigment and he found that it was uh related to uh well he knew that uh semi-conductors are generally black because of a peculiar electronic arrangement that causes them to absorb all the light that hits them and he figured that the life process involves semi-conduction and so pigments are especially relevant to the use of energy in living things that’s right i mean in terms of uh transporting 19:23 electrons from one one one phase to another and therefore carrying either electrical charge as a form of energy um yeah i think last month we were talking about a methylene blue an artificial electron transporter and it can look like vitamin c vitamin c in this normal form isn’t a pigment but it has some of the same electronic behaviors both of those can pick up electrons from nutrients such as glucose and pass them into the mitochondrion even if the first two units of the mitochondrion are damaged uh methylene blue and vitamin c and probably many other natural pigments cannot 20:25 deliver energy electrons down to the third complex of the mitochondrion and allow it to keep function functioning even after the serious damage and so part of that function is to stop producing free radicals which are mostly produced in the upper part of the electron transport chain as it’s being damaged okay so getting on to the kind of wider topic of you are what you eat i think probably just to bring out some of those things that you’ve mentioned for many different conditions or processes that can be corrected by various i mean you prescribe a lot of dietary um advice in terms of modulating the way people’s physiology is working and therefore bringing people back to good health in a very natural way uh with no side effects it’s not a drug orientated approach uh it’s very nutritional and um i know obviously uh you’re 21:32 very keen on saturated fats as opposed to the polys and the polyunsaturated is being very detrimental to health obviously sugar i know you talk a lot about fruit juices and fructose in particular as an energy promoter in terms of you are what you eat the the gut bacteria and the bacteria within the bowel and what do you what do you know from the studies that have been done on uh for mood for example uh and or autism in children that have have shown some definite correlation between gut bacteria and their intestinal flora and the intestinal flora in populations that are not suffering uh with autism and uh how how i think in the future perhaps the the antibiotics uh that are very useful and i know you’re an advocate of antibiotics and i know most people unfortunately have a mistaken belief that antibiotics are bad i think just from 22:36 the cases where maybe females are getting thrush after using antibiotics it conjures up this kind of popular myth or popular notion that antibiotics are bad but actually we know that they’re very positive uh influences on our physiology and especially on our gut for wiping out bad bacteria but what’s your thought about uh altering the uh so-called microbiome of the body so that specific bacteria that are known to be detrimental to health can be eradicated and leaving the positive bacteria behind to actually influence the populations within the digestive tract um about 1990 i read an article from a fertility clinic in in which a lot of the women were trying to conceive and the fertilized ovum just wouldn’t implant and uh the doctors thought that it might indicate that there was an infection in the uterus so they gave 23:41 all of their patients a course of antibiotics and besides improving their fertility a lot of the patients said suddenly that their chronic headaches had disappeared and so they gave them hormone tests to see what was going on and causing both fertility to improve and headaches and other symptoms to disappear they found that the antibiotics had lowered their cortisol and estrogen production and increased progesterone in their serum explaining the uh increased fertility but a whole range of other symptoms related to stress and following reading about that i suggested that because i i knew that uh the estrogen which is excreted by a healthy liver 24:43 in the vial um is much of it is reabsorbed and stays in the circulation if you have a sluggish intestine and so i suggested that if they eat a carrot every day to uh stimulate the intestine the carrot will bind the vial and uh lower the serum estrogen level that’s that’s now generally accepted that any fiber tends to lower your absorption of estrogen from the vial and within three or four days these people tested their estrogen cortisol and and progesterone and it was doing the same thing that the synthetic antibiotics had done and uh knowing about carrots and and that they can get very tiresome if you eat one a day for years i looked around for other foods that were antiseptic and uh might have that same effect 25:46 and bamboo shoots are something that you don’t get too tired of they don’t have much flavor so you can put them in a lot of different foods and cooking a bamboo shoot doesn’t destroy the fiber the way it cooked carrot does so you have to eat raw carrots or cooked bamboo shoots do you do know of any other fibers dr p that have that effect mushrooms i think mushrooms uh yeah because they grow underground in a very decaying environment they have to have powerful antibiotics interesting do you not okay i it’s a pretty surprise me when you say mushrooms because i wouldn’t have thought that would have been naturally one thing that you would have said to someone would be okay to eat but your i don’t know anything about mushrooms actually but except that principle yeah they are okay antiseptic and okay they have a high value protein and the 26:48 protein happens to be pretty low in methionine which is the most toxic of the amino acids interesting methionine are the amino acids that most slow your metabolism and so you’re getting two of the metabolic stimulants lowering the estrogen disinfecting your intestine okay hold it there dr p for a moment because we do i think we have one or two callers on the air so let’s start let’s let’s start with our first call and see where we’re going with this caller you’re on the air and where you’re from hello is this me yes you’re on the air where you’re from hey i’m from eastern oregan eastern oregan okay welcome to the show well thank you thank you for having me i just have a question um the last month i developed very very high blood pressure that spikes very high okay and i don’t have it running my family and i never had it before i had normal and what i did is um about two months ago i had increased had my t3 medicine increased 27:55 a little bit and i got heart palpitations okay so i was tight trading down off of that for over a period of six weeks and i still had the heart palpitations until i went to nothing and then i heard your show last month and i started magnesium and the heart palpitations went away yeah we dr p mentioned that didn’t need for palpitations yeah thank you so much but my but i also in october went on a silly little thing where i was trying to increase my body temperature because even with the um the thyroid supplement it still is kind of low okay and i heard that if you eat a lot of more sugar and salt and high dense foods that you can do that so i increased my salto quite a bit and i wasn’t worried because i always had low blood pressure medium low you know normal so um my and then and then over this last month my blood pressure has just skyrocketed and it was kind of scary and i went to the doctor now i’m on medicine but i was wondering could could 29:00 coming down off of the thyroid which i went back on and and and also that high salt diet could that have contributed to this really crazy high blood pressure well first first things first let’s just how much salt were you using quite a bit i just poured on everything and um just throughout the day i i don’t i never measured that or anything yeah quite a bit yeah but dr p more than i normally did yeah probably was my guess is maybe three or four thousand milligrams is that like almost like two days worth in one day i did that for a couple three weeks and i stopped okay dr p what’s your tsh measured as part of the thyroid exam uh when i first was on uh i’ve been on uh t4 for six months and when they first uh started it it was like three but then it went down to below zero yeah it’s like 0.03 or something it’s way low um tsh uh causes a lot of the symptoms of hypothyroidism 30:09 and so a t3 will cause your t4 to go down and if if it goes too low your tsh might come up and tsh does a lot of things uh that uh go with hypothyroidism including high blood pressure it makes your red cells more rigid your blood and serum more viscous and it tightens up small blood vessels everything it does tends to create higher blood pressure so so if your tsh is is currently uh extremely low uh then you probably should have your other hormones such as adrenaline check to see what might be causing that but dr p you always um advocate a tsh as close to 31:10 zero as possible just because it’s a fairly inflammatory chaperone molecule anyway don’t you yeah yeah so it’s a caller your your question has if you if you understood the answer or well i’m uh from what i understand is that my thc if it gets pretty low the t3 will make it lower and if you increase okay i think i got mixed up i’m sorry so something about the tsh that extra t3 can cause it to start rising up again or am i incorrect uh yeah if you had lowered your tsh by taking uh fairly large amounts of t4 thyroxin it was 25 macograms oh well that isn’t very much and no but it was still low it got low um under one it got it became 0.03 or four it was real really low and then i and then they and then several months later i they incorporated t3 at 32:13 25 and i cut it in fours and spread it throughout the day and i was doing really well and that went on for a month and then they increased it another 25 which made it 50 and i split those throughout the day and in fours and then lo and behold i started having heart palpitations at night and all these other symptoms and so i titrated down and i don’t know i went to the doctor because i was a little frightened and they said they checked my thyroid and they said it’s fine but you know i i know that numbers their numbers might not be um optimal uh were the other things like albumin and blood sugar okay uh they didn’t say i don’t know i don’t know i suppose i can find out and um they probably have the record so i can find out about the albumin they didn’t say they said all my lab was fine what they said do you uh get a fairly balanced diet like with milk and cheese and eggs and yes i i i stopped doing that silly little thing i did for three weeks 33:18 there with the extra with the high dense uh different kind of eating and prior to that and since then i i drink milk a quart and a half or so and organic um uh fresh squeezed orange juice quark and plus and uh and cheese and eggs yeah and um and uh great lakes gelatin is there anything that might be irritating your digestive system sometimes that can cause stress and increased pressure no no but do you think that maybe the they may say that my numbers are fine and maybe they may not be as optimal as they could be like the tsh and the um and um i’m sorry what numbers did you ask yeah it’s good to have um albumin well above 40 okay and uh blood glucose uh anywhere 70 to 110 should be okay and uh potassium and sodium 34:31 should be around the middle of the scale okay well they put me on medicine so now i’m on medicine so i’m a little leery about it but it was pretty scary it was up to like 200 and over 100 and then it would kind of go down and then it would fluctuate in between that that sounds a lot like an alarm reaction a stress related alarm reaction of adrenaline and producing that kind of blood pressure because a thyroid what do you think about thyroid hormone doctor p and blood pressure i mean it’s actually a regulator of high blood pressure when people get high blood pressure generally um they are subject to adrenaline and that other sympathetic you know hormones that drive blood pressure up and thyroid hormone specifically uh antagonizes that and brings blood pressure down into it especially when it comes on quickly like that yeah that’s that it’s adrenaline or or maybe serotonin the reason i asked about any irritating food if you don’t dissolve 35:36 the gelatin thoroughly sometimes that can cause gas and irritation by feeding bacteria and intestine i don’t dissolve it i kind of put it in my orange juice and and stir it in cold orange juice and drink it that way so i don’t like cook it or anything oh it i mix it in with the orange juice um but i don’t feel like my stomach’s irritated but i don’t know maybe it is and i don’t know it i don’t feel like it’s causing gas but i thought if i started uh back up on the t3 like i had uh and i’ve been on it for several weeks maybe three weeks now that maybe eventually it would normalize the blood pressure is that a possibility um is your is your pulse rate about where it was um about where it was prior to all this or is it in the range of 70 to 90 uh yeah it’s it’s always been around around that more towards the 70 yeah it hasn’t my pulse yeah both have changed too much magnesium 36:46 and calcium are two nutrients that help to lower uh blood pressure but potassium is probably the most powerful uh orange juice is a very good source of potassium and so a quart of orange juice spread out through the day okay amount of potassium well i’m taking extra magnesium since that helps with the palpitations and i drink lots of milk and orange juice and one other nutrient that can powerfully lower blood pressure is vitamin k for example the drops that deliver one milligram of vitamin k uh per drop uh i know a doctor who for several months had his blood pressure had been 240 over 140 no 240 over 70 and within two or three weeks of using a lot of vitamin k his pressure came down to 140 over 70 37:53 okay so vitamin k in terms of a daily a daily uh trial of vitamin k what do you think would be a reasonable well that doctor who got such extreme results was taking 40 or 50 milligrams per day right 40 or 50 drops of that yeah okay okay all right i wrote all this down thank you so much i also too though there they put me on medicine now and i’m on uh lysineapril plus uh diuretic with it so that might kind of add to the mix now somehow i’m sure probably yeah i’m sure i’m sure the uh it would be difficult to tell what your proper blood pressure was all the time you’re using something like lysineapril yeah i just started it i just started that well last two weeks and now they add and it didn’t help and so now they added it with a diuretic but i don’t know i didn’t know what to say you know it’s it’s definitely sounds something more than uh anything to do with your 38:55 thyroid that you’ve been using because it’s definitely very it’s very short and very very quick to come on you know it’s a very rapid onset so it starts people saying it’s much more much more indicative of something hormone or or getting a catecholamine based that would have a such a rapid onset um okay yeah it’s probably a little bit outside of the scope of this talk show just a comment on this only further though but i appreciate your call thank you so much i appreciate you you too thank you you’re welcome okay so what are the callers we have the next caller you’re on the air where you from uh missouri okay hi go ahead hello this is david from missouri yeah go ahead david i i didn’t uh i think we got some interference between your yeah well you know just so you know um normally you would be able to hear the radio show when you’re waiting on the phone and it’s not doing that so i had to listen to that unfortunately there’s some hum here in the studio that i can hear and whenever the lights flashing i also 39:58 hear that too so i think there’s some kind of it’s it’s not uncommon unfortunately that’s what i was saying it’s normally you can hear the radio show while you have the phone you know listening to the phone uh while you’re put on hold and you can’t do that got it for some reason so they’re they’re doing something differently i’m not sure um what’s it yeah you know one of the things does listening to the news cause high blood pressure quite probably if it’s bad news yeah that was one of the things you didn’t ask her so i quit listening to the news and my blood pressure went down there you go but anyway um you know um i’ve heard for years that coconut oil is anti uh an antibiotic and also anti fungal and uh number one i wanted to ask dr pete if that is true and then how would that work if that were the case and then also i think along the same lines is you know i’ve heard him um or i shouldn’t say him 41:02 dr pete i’ve heard you say that um when you eat starch that the starch is able to get into the bloodstream and create all sorts of problems in capillaries and different vessels and that the saturated fat helps to prevent that so how does saturated fat help along those lines as well as it somehow coating the bacteria and the um the molecules of starch and yeah it slows digestion enough that keeps things in a an emotion that the enzymes have time to start uh breaking down the starch particles uh oh okay i it isn’t known exactly why that happens but uh uh your heart uh uh i forgot his his name at the moment i was the man who did the prescription research showed that the starch without fat would immediately in 15 or 20 minutes 42:06 show up in your bloodstream but with fat uh it didn’t show up in the bloodstream and it probably is because it gives it time to break down a little bit uh but the um i think the most important effect of of the fat is that uh germicidal action uh suppressing the bacteria that that if your digestion is really uh working right your whole small intestine should be sterile free of bacteria and uh sluggish digestion low thyroid people often get bacteria growing all the way up close to their stomach and uh in that case when you eat any starch it feeds the bacteria the bacteria produce uh endotoxin which causes your intestine to produce nitric oxide 43:14 and serotonin and histamine and the um nitric oxide is a very powerful poison of oxidative metabolism so the combination of bacteria especially in the small intestine and any kind of of a starch that isn’t quickly absorbed into your bloodstream is going to feed the bacteria increase the nitric oxide and basically poison your respiratory metabolism all through your body um many years ago people experimenting with uh germ-free animals uh their uh their whole life they’re isolated from bacteria and uh they have have a very healthy life low mortality until extreme old age and they eat about 20 or 30 percent more calories than the ordinary germ-burying 44:25 mice but they are leaner much much smaller fat deposits and they don’t suffer from anxiety uh and the uh how to explain that it means that the bacteria are producing something that poisons your metabolism the uh George Burr’s research with the polyunsaturated fats he demonstrated that that these fats have a similar poisoning effect on your oxidative metabolism so that without them the animals burn 30 to 50 percent more energy without getting fat so the possibly the polyunsaturated fats are contributing to the nitric oxide production but definitely the the bacteria eating starch are a major source of this anti-metabolic material 45:32 and uh you know so is the coconut oil because of the short chain and the medium chain possibly better in that action that you just described than say butter um it’s no all of it really matter saturated fats are pretty good antifungals and antibacterials but i think the the shorter chain of the you know athlete’s foot remedy that kills fungus very efficiently is an 11 carbon saturated fat or a monounsaturated and uh the shorter they are the faster they diffuse and uh apparently they’re they’re um more active as as a toxin or antiseptic if they’re a little shorter than the stearic acid of butter but okay soap soap traditionally known as a good antiseptic and that’s usually 46:36 made with a stearic acid you know uh dr p based on several things that you recommended i uh you know i grow different bamboos and and so i can’t wait till the spring because i’m going to try this soup and i’m just curious what you think about it i’m going to use a acne juicer and i’m going to get the juice from potatoes and then i was going to uh cook the um bamboo sprouts in there and now that i i for some reason i always thought that you didn’t think that mushrooms were possibly good but i would love to have shiitake mushrooms in that soup and then put plenty of butter and coconut oil in that do you think that’s a in some salt do you think that’s a decent soup i i think so but it’s really good to make sure you don’t get toxic mushroom well you know i the only thing i grow is shiitakes which is that is that possibly a good mushroom you know i’ll have to interject here and tell you that the 47:38 only thing that i’m allergic to uh is shiitake mushroom i came out in a widespread body rash and i couldn’t explain it first time around i thought it was very strange and i’d contracted something serious i was seriously worried about it it took about four weeks for it to resolve and then again about four years later the same thing happened again and i made a connection i made a connection to shiitake mushrooms and as you know i’m a i’m a a naturopathic doctor and i work with extracts and i make extracts of shiitake mushrooms and the third time around when i was handling shiitake mushroom powder the same thing happened i got a widespread rash over my face and my hands where i’d been not just handling the product but must have breathed some of it in and got it in contact with my face so i find it a very allergenic product so i would just put that out there that not just just because people were talking about growing them for a while and eating them but i’ve been trying not to you know consume too many but i’ve never seen a direct relationship to any kind of problems that you know i see only thing that i’ve ever been reactive to 48:44 you know uh dr pete has talked about uh jerald pollock a few times and i listened to an interview recently that i thought might be interesting for everybody um he was talking about grounding which i think i’ve mentioned before on a show about like walking barefoot and then the electrons flowing into the body from the earth and one of the things that he was mentioned he said that of course there’s no scientific studies to validate this but he you know he’s really into the idea of structured water and he was saying how walking barefoot and getting natural sunlight could very possibly be helping to structure the water on the body i thought that was pretty interesting kind of you know puts a few things that you’ve been talking about for a while does that make sense at all to you dr pete well definitely the flow of electrons is the basic thing that structures water uh the um when i talk about energy and structure i i’m thinking about 49:52 primarily first of all the fine layers of water adjoining proteins and fat in the cells and that’s created and maintained by the flow of electrons mostly from glucose to oxygen through the various catalysts and when that’s interrupted when oxygen isn’t able to keep pulling the electrons and it’s this flow of electrons that generates the structure just like if you stir a pot of spaghetti all the the strings line up in certain direction that sort of thing is what happens microscopically the the energy flow generates structure and that has all of the consequences of cell difference yeah one of the things i didn’t mention that he had talked about which totally aligns with what you said 50:55 he said the the red wavelengths of light are what helped to structure the water which i thought was really interesting oh a german researcher a young guy named andre summer uh has been doing extremely interesting research are showing exactly that that the red light itself uh organizes the structure of water interesting so i think it’s important to uh do like adam and eve and and walk naked in the garden in the sunlight okay david i appreciate your call but i thought i was gonna laugh no no that’s a that’s a bit great idea i appreciate your call but i think we have another one lined up here so best to get best to get next call thank you i know dr pete you do talk about red light a lot as a uh a free a free radical quenching substance and anti-inflammatory so yeah and it desorbs nitric oxide from the cytochrome oxidase okay somebody called in 52:02 during that dialogue there and i think they’ve left the question with the engineer so if the question uh wants to be read out then perhaps we can go from there oh yeah she was just basically wondering now she said she’s 64 years old and wondering about under eye puffiness a 64 year old lady sounds like low thyroid but dr pete what do you think um yeah sometimes uh low thyroid or something missing in the diet can be a factor but most often it’s it’s low thyroid with uh uh for example if your thyroid is chronically low your cholesterol is likely to be chronically above average as a compensation but thyroid should turn cholesterol into the uh steroids progesterone pregnant alone and dha and those should regulate the uh the water and the inside outside the cell a balance of the water okay i think we have another caller who’s just just 53:06 called in just a moment ago so let’s see uh let’s take this next call a caller you’re on the air and where you from okay let me turn my radio off hang on a second i okay uh let’s see i’m from the north coast here okay um i had a question what do you know about sulfite in wine um very allergenic digestive problems yeah and our wines uh companies that produce wine required to stay that sulfites are in wine do you know anything about sure yeah it’s it’s a labeling recommendation for sure and sulfite free wine can be labeled sulfite free other wine that isn’t normally has to be labeled contains sulfites and i know dr pete as always mentioned that sulfites are very allergenic can cause many different symptoms from headache to rash to respiratory disorders but dr pete what what else do you have to say about sulfite digestion well it’s a potentially very pro inflammatory and it interferes with the handling 54:18 of electrons i think that’s why it is so dangerously allergenic for so many people and i’ve i’ve had the experience of sulfited wines that gave me a vertigo and extreme symptoms for several days which i think were from causing inflammation of the intestine okay so just allergenic in general the uh it my question refers to whether what about uh messing up a digestive uh uh system and causing pain in the indigestion that’s why i’m wondering if it’s related to that well red wines contain their own histamine which can cause symptoms in a lot of people 55:21 thanks a lot okay you’re welcome okay well i’d i’d stop right there dr pete and just thank you so much for spending your time again this month with the show i just want to let people know how to find out more information about you okay okay thanks so much okay well thanks to the callers that have called in and uh yeah again uh there’s certainly more scope for expanding the discussion on you are what you eat um dr raymond pete’s website has a wealth of information where people can find lots of articles that are fully referenced scientific articles uh his website is www dot ray r a y p e a t dot com and then um there’s like i say probably something in the order of 40 to 50 uh articles on various different subjects uh all of which are his specialism in hormones uh and endocrine uh you know subjects so uh his website www dot ray pete dot com 56:28 we can be contacted uh monday through friday uh during business hours at one 888 WBM herb and uh yeah this is a couple of days until the winter solstice the darkest time of the year christmas is coming up i hope everybody here is paying attention to what it is they’re going to eat over christmas lots of hopefully no polyunsaturates hopefully people are cooking with butter and animal fats and making sure that what you eat is organic again like i said you know you are what you eat and the food chain is an extremely toxic uh product the whole food industry is extremely permeated with lots of different chemicals now that make food not what it used to be so when people say oh it’s not like my grandmother used to cook that’s because she was cooking with real food and unfortunately a lot of our food now is not particularly real so yeah always eat organic source and support organic production and uh watch what you eat 57:29 until the third friday of next month uh merry christmas you all right thanks to the herb doctor for that awesome segment we 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