The Metabolism of Cancer

00:00 Well once again welcome to this month’s third Friday of the month radio show Ask Your Herb Doctor my name’s Andrew Murray. My name’s Sarah Johanneson Murray. For those of you who perhaps have never listened to the shows say they run every third Friday of the month from 7 to late p.m. we’re both licensed medical herbalists who trained in England and graduated there with a degree in herbal medicine. We run a clinic in Galvival where we consult with clients about a wide range of conditions and recommend dietary supplements, nutritional counseling and an alternative approach to the management of various different conditions. You’re listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMUD Galvival 91.1 fm and from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o’clock you’re invited to call in either with questions related to or unrelated to tonight’s topic of the metabolism of cancer. We’re very pleased to have Dr. Raymond Peat with us once 01:04 more and this month’s topic is actually based on his newsletter. The newsletter he brought out back in May was another introduction to cancer metabolism but the if I remember rightly the paranoia versus trustanoia was a interesting concept where most people trust mainstream medicine to do them right. Choose wisely and find your information out from alternative sources. I think that alternative word is another very good starting point for tonight’s show. It is the drive that the radio show is having to basically keep running. Free speech radio and independent radio stations are really not very common in America anymore. Radio shows are generally getting taken over becoming more and more 02:05 mainstream but obviously free speech is still alive and again that’s our constitutional First Amendment right. So it’s a very precious thing to have free speech aired on the airwaves whether it’s locally here or brought across the nation on the internet or other radio stations that will carry this show. It’s a very precious commodity so you know that when free speech starts to become suppressed you know the government are really not what you want in power. I would say no more about that but the constitutional amendment First Amendment is a very very strong and fundamental right that we all have as American citizens to be able to freely choose what it is rather than be told that this is what you’re going to get. So the Ask Your App Doctor show is definitely one of those radio programs that brings you an alternative to the mainstream narrative what you’re going to hear from the mainstream science and doctors and 03:07 Dr. Raymond Peat fortunately is a wealth of information very alternative definitely outside the box thinking like so many of the great scientists that he quotes during his work from St. Georgie to Gilbert Ling to May 1 Ho and many many others that we’ve mentioned over several years now probably going on eight years that we’ve been delighted to have Dr. Peat sharing his wisdom with us. And if you listen to commercial radio now and then you know what media consolidation means it’s cookie cutter programming and 15 to 20 minutes of every hour they’re hounding you to buy stuff. K-MUD is different completely different and you know why because it’s independent community based community radio funded by the community and our only responsibility is to you the listener. So please support K-MUD. Okay Dr. Peat is Dr. Peat with us? Yes. Oh hi Dr. Peat. Well thanks so much for joining us. I think what I wanted to do was just basically describe an outline of what has happened in science and which is very 04:16 much derailed some very good research that was done that perhaps didn’t go along with the corporate collective collectivistic background controllers if you like from the Carnegie and Rockefeller foundations. I know a couple of months back we had the subject and very much what was brought out was that the institution has institutionalized medicine to the point where good science becomes largely ignored or demonized I think that’s very true to say and it’s not just scare tactics it’s very much true that alternative medical doctors get hounded out of medicine they have to leave the country go abroad where they can continue to practice because in this country there is quite a powerful suppression of alternative ideas so I think without me probably carrying on too much more I think just starting with Otto Warburg 05:17 if you would outline perhaps the history of oxidative metabolism which William Koch, Frederick Koch through Otto Warburg and Albert St. Georgie elucidated and how that really should have been the direction that medicine if it really wanted to help people with cancer should have gone in but which through various powerful lobbying groups and the estrogen industry etc have derailed it and it’s become very much a dogmatic destructive sidle type approach like bacteriocides or viricides it’s a kind of cancer recital approach to killing cancer cells with chemotherapy radiotherapy and all the other targeted programs that basically destroy the organism rather than help it so would you be able to give an outline of metabolism as seen through the eyes of these great scientists who really were on to 06:18 something yeah starting in 1900 the idea of electrons in molecules was really just being explored it was about 1930 35 when mainstream chemists started accepting that there was such a thing as a free radical but in 1900 Moses Gomberg at the University of Michigan had produced a stable free radical which with a free but fairly unreactive electron produced a deep purple color with a very small amount of the molecule in solution and this started other chemists thinking about what produces color in molecules and over the next four or five years several chemists were theorizing about mobile 07:25 electrons in molecules like bento quinone and these were really at the center of mainstream chemistry but even the average University chemist wasn’t up to date on the theories of electrons it was only in 1916 that Gilbert Lewis gave his theory of electron bonding and then Niels Bohr I think was 1921 described his picture of how electrons orbit around molecules and then several years later lightness Pauling gave a more detailed description of how electrons work in chemical bonds so the very best biochemists were just getting 08:30 started around 1935 thinking about electrons and biologists and medical doctors couldn’t imagine how electrons could have anything to do with the life process so the process that is involved in oxidation it’s the movement of electrons from a fuel such as sugar or fat to oxygen and in the process it’s there’s a lot of extractable energy in some form and when the biologists finally admitted that electrons had to be explained somehow they wanted to compartmentalize how the energy is used in moving from glucose or fat down to 09:32 oxygen and so they invented little machines that would take a sort of a quantum of energy out of that moving electron and attach it to various little machines which they called pumps or motors and so on and explained muscle contraction and secretion and all processes in this very primitive concept of biological energy where the actual process is a flow a streaming process there’s no standing still for the electron that cell dies if it isn’t constantly moving the electrons from fuel to oxygen so this is a process that’s going on every breath we take and every single cell in our body is moving these electrons from sugar or fat to oxygen yeah when you try to measure the 10:41 electrical energy of a cell you stick a needle in for example to measure the voltage and people have a sort of a standing static picture of the cell in which it’s a membrane and inside there are statistically randomized molecules carrying electrons and so they think of it as effectively a bag of electrons which they’re measuring what they’re doing is disrupting this intricate constant flow from fuel to oxygen and they’re measuring an injured cell every time they try to stop it to fit their model they’re destroying some cell process and in the 1940s of St. George he published some of his work 11:45 with oxidative processes in muscle and how energy is used and he was the one who discovered that ATP literally makes muscle contract he extracted muscle and used various simplified preparations to show that simply adding ATP made the muscle move and he was thinking of something electronic going on related to oxidation and fuel use and so on but he found that the contracted muscle in the presence of ATP didn’t break down the ATP molecule that ATP causes muscle to contract without changing its bond structure and this is very interesting folks when you when you hear this I don’t want to interrupt you too much so muscle contraction can occur in the absence of the breakdown of ATP which is 12:46 not what I was taught when I was at school so anyway yeah most people that listen to what you’ve just said now might remember that the classic description is ATP is reduced to ADP and AMP and that release of that phosphate group is what actually drives the muscle but dr. P you’re saying that that is not the way it is yeah when I was in graduate school the muscle biologists all over the world were saying that ATP has a high energy bond of 11 or 14 kilocalories per mole and it’s that energy that can be used to explain the little muscles motors in the muscles that cause movement without that high energy it would be impossible to explain their motors but meanwhile Gilbert Ling had I think he probably read Sanctuary 2 and was aware that ATP 13:49 didn’t have to break down to release energy he pointed out that the energy of the whole molecule of ATP sticking to the the protein of the muscle has an energy of stickiness or adsorption energy of 21 kilocalories per mole with twice as much as the hypothetical bond energy and that explains why it makes the protein change without having to break down simply the relationship between the molecules shifts the whole structure yeah and this is this is very much that kind of holistic alternative approach to science and to biology that enables these people that are doing this to see the whole thing is confluent and it’s constant like you said electrons don’t stop they’re constantly moving this they’re constantly in action and that is that is life right there 14:55 when molecules are being produced and cells are being signaled and communication is happening it all involves energy and I know you’re a big advocate of supporting thyroid function because that ultimately is a very big driver of metabolism as is mitochondrial function and the energy of the cell yeah and that all of this is that we’re all very much energetic living beings we’re not static and actually a lot of what we’ll perhaps get into later on here with cancer metabolism being a very aberrant form of that kind of metabolism which is much more destructive and very negative is very much opposed to regular life which is productive and energetic and you know that high energy state is what actually keeps us alive and healthy and it allows our immune systems to get on top of spontaneous cancers because they know that they do arise all the time and it’s only in those lowered energetic states where people can actually produce a cancer that starts to take them out and it’s all the negative lactic acetic acid production etc. from from tumors that 16:01 contributes in the carbon monoxide we’ll get into that later on but we’re not talking about like the high adrenaline that type of energy we’re talking about energy from a cell functioning properly and having enough thyroid which basically means the cell has enough oxygen and it’s a very calm state but your cells have a lot of energy in that calm state all right you’re listening you’re asking Dr. K.K.M.U.D.Garble 91.1 FM and from 7.30 until the end of the show call is a welcome to call in with questions either related to this month’s topic of the metabolism of cancer and a toll-free number if you live outside the area there’s an 800 number which is 800 K.M.U.D. Rad so that’s 800 568 3723 or if you’re in the area code the numbers nine two three three nine one one actually Michael said that he didn’t think that I thought that the long well if you’ve been calling the show from misery call whatever number you’ve been using but I was under 17:02 the impression the 800 number didn’t work out of California but I didn’t know that anyway I mean we’re broke and the 800 number isn’t free the 800 number costs us so you might as well have it on your phone bill anyway all right there okay so yeah all right somebody was going to come in at one point no we’re going to do that at 7.25 oh we’re doing at 7.25 okay all right so Dr. P getting back to this kind of energetic state of the cell that’s probably a good point at which you understand how cancer can arise how it can be allowed to be outside the body’s normal control and how that energetic state we won’t call it energetic perhaps we call it excited depleted state should best be understood as a way to understand cancer in the 1920s at the time of barbara was developing his idea of of oxidation of a man in England David Kylan of was 18:04 working on another side of of oxidation with these cytochromes and he found that when an insect flight muscle or a bird flight muscle a very energetic muscle when it was contracting and highly stimulated the pigment that he was studying disappeared showing that there was no oxygen present the extreme activity had consumed all of the oxygen momentarily and shifted the cell and those pigments into a reduced state of excess electrons and so this was the centurgy and and Kylan were simultaneously working on the ideas that William Frederick Koch at the University of Michigan had developed independently that it’s the flow of electrons through the system to oxygen 19:11 which has to be continuous and when something over stimulates or irritates an area the idea of irritation and or carcinogenic smoke and so on was already known and the irritating effect of estrogen for example was already known so the idea of excitation exhausting the tissue oxygen was at the center of the idea of what cancer is barburg described his thought at that time as the cancer has a defect in respiration which makes it lack the pasture effect which was what pasture had seen in yeast was that oxygen normally causes the yeast 20:15 to stop from ending to stop producing lactic acid or ethanol in the case of beer but centurgy said there’s something wrong with the system that prevents cancer from even in the presence of oxygen from being able to turn off that excitatory process that produces lactic acid so there’s something keeping the cell in the excited state and that that’s where the details have been developed now over the last 90 years since barburg expressed that idea what are the things that can turn off the excitation the ex excess of stimulation and let the oxygen which can be present let the oxygen do its work to turn off the lactic acid production so it’s a form of energy production the 21:21 body has is like a backup mechanism when it when it’s not using oxygen properly then it converts to using sugar sugar and it’s inefficient and it’s wasteful and it overexcites the cell is that I’m just trying to understand this myself and also put it into some a little bit more understandable terms for our listeners when it’s either deficient in oxygen or overstimulated so that it used up all the oxygen because it was overstimulated yeah so it’s the same thing as suffocating or being overstimulated there’s no oxygen to turn off the production of lactic acid and then the lactic acid itself is an irritant as stimulant it shifts the cell away from the use of oxygen towards the production of more lactic acid so it’s like a vicious cycle here we’re going to pause you for a moment here dr. 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Pete and thanks for the show thank you George welcome yeah well we appreciate Kmart for allowing the show ask your doctor to even happen I think it was probably 12 years ago now I don’t time fly so quickly but I think it was 2004 yeah I think it was 2004 we did the first show here we are 2016 anyway dr. P you’re there right yep so you were telling us about lactic acid and how it feeds cancer cells and because of the 25:36 lack of oxygen yeah anything that causes a lack of oxygen or excess of irritation and and stimulating to the point of fatigue will produce an excess of lactic acid but just like when you run too long and you get stitches in your side yeah and lactic acid produces an imbalance in the electrons it it takes up some electrons to be formed but in the process that increases the alkalinity inside the cell and in several ways creates a vicious circle of more electrons actually than it can take up and one way that the cancer cell tries to return to normal is to use some of those excess electrons that can’t be consumed by converting pyruvic acid to lactic acid is to use them in 26:37 synthesizing fat so interestingly the cancer cell turns on the enzymes that synthesize fat as way to drain away more electrons and then as oxygen becomes available the respiratory process will burn fat and so the cancer cell is eating all the sugar it can get and tearing down the tissue of the body to use amino acids in place of glucose when that’s deficient and converting the energy from glycolysis either amino acids or glucose converting fat to fat and then oxidizing the fat with whatever oxygen it has and oxidizing fat is less efficient the last rule of oxygen use so it adds to the problem of oxygen 27:39 deficiency is this where the myth comes in where you hear a lot of people say oh sugar feeds cancer well yeah actually a cancer sugar deprivation turns on the barberg effect turns on the stress reaction and makes the lactic acid and makes the cancer cells yeah that’s actually the opposite folks if you go into the ketosis the stress metabolism that turns on this partial oxidation of fatty acids produces what they call the ketone bodies but one of the ketone bodies is not a ketone and it’s the the reduced state of this pairing of acetoacetate and beta beta Q keto butyrate which is not a ketone this is shifted so that it increases reductive imbalance so it’s 28:42 almost as bad as lactate so it’s the stress that is creating the cycle of excess electron imbalance and then that in turn activates things that can amplify depending on the total situation can amplify the stress reaction and the reductive excess of electrons so that for example the formation of prostaglandins is turned on when there’s a shift towards too many electrons an imbalance in the direction of NADH rather than NAD or of too much reduced sulfhydryl people are talking actually they’re giving a glutathione supplements to increase the electron abundance in tissue where the cancer 29:46 cell already has an excess of electrons it’s a powerful antioxidant system that keeps the cancer cell alive but in this defective state and the same process that turns on prostaglandins which create all kinds of inflammation and tendency to reproduce themselves without differentiating it also turns on aromatase which makes estrogen which activates more of the tendency to produce excess electrons I picked up on what you said about five minutes ago and I jotted a note down here just so I could ask you this and this is definitely not scripted but you mentioned the inability to relax the over excitation 30:48 or the excitotoxic effect of various mediators that promote cancer and how the cancer itself is in a very excited state and this constant excitation that and that oxygen the presence of oxygen calms that excitation down how and this is the this is the part that’s unscripted I wanted to ask you to understand this myself because I know you’re an advocate of CO2 and increasing your CO2 as a definite health benefit and I know we’ve talked about oxygen being a poison essentially and I think that’s not a poor not a bad word for it but so how is oxygen in this way being a help as opposed to our general understanding of oxygen being a fairly toxic gas the CO2 does at least three central things related to the cancer one it’s acting like a common agent the way ATP does to 31:50 relax of muscles that aren’t stimulated holding them in a state of readiness to contract and this the CO2 is an analog of these pigment molecules that cook and interesting most of scomburg were visualizing so you said CO2 has a structural similarity because we haven’t even talked about the anthocyanins and flavonoids yet but is that what you’re saying yeah it’s an acid a Lewis acid which doesn’t involve any protons but the double bonded oxygens on the carbon are the essential feature of the free radical oxidative catalysts that coke was talking about and the surgery worked with for about 40 or 50 years and the this acidic effect modifies the proteins so that they are stabilized 32:55 calm down kept quiet so that they aren’t forced to shift over to the lactic acid metabolism and the CO2 also can fill in and correct what’s missing in the cream cycle or the tricarboxylic acid cycle it’s replenishing the catalytic effect of the fuel that keeps the oxygen process going and then it CO2 also directly intervenes in the inhibition of lactic acid production and so just by increasing the CO2 breathing in a bag for example from a minute or so at a time several times a day will lower your serum lactic acid and it’s only in the 33:55 last two or three years that several people are recognizing that you can diagnose cancer just by an increased chronic lactic acid excess in the blood and since it’s one of the factors that keeps the process going anything you can do that will shift towards oxidative metabolism and lower your production of lactic acid is helpful that’s why you recommend for people who have cancer that they go to high elevation so that they can increase the amount of CO2 in their bloodstream yeah there were studies in Russia in the 1960s in which they gave carcinogens to rats and then they treated some with chemotherapy and took them to I think was 17,000 feet altitude and the ones at high altitude 34:59 recovered at a very high rate with or without the chemotherapy the chemotherapy cured a few of them at normal altitude but cured most of them at the high altitude and about a hundred years ago the insurance company industry was already aware that the cancer mortality was about 10 percent lower in cities at high altitudes it was well recognized well recognized because if anyone doesn’t want to lose money it’s the insurance company well thanks so much for explaining that let me just remind people again it’s a live show and call us a welcome to call in I know dr. P enjoys answering questions the more outside the box the better for him I mean I really appreciate your explanation of the CO2 effects and those three different mechanisms and I know I promise you now folks and nothing was scripted here that was just straight 36:01 off the cuff so really appreciate your input dr. P Dr. P the number if you live in the area 923 3911 outside the area 800 number 800 kmud rad if those people listening on the internet I know that you can always communicate with kmud via the internet as well so dr. P just talking about those energetic effects and I wanted to ask you about the pigments and we’ve already covered some of those you mentioned a purple a deep purple pigment that Moses Gomberg first discovered or it got him thinking about the energetic state of pigments and how I want to bring into this question the topic of flavonoids and in herbs and herbal medicine I know that things like bilberry and very anti oxidant there’s blackberries the dark berry pigments and we’ll get into a 37:02 couple of other specific herbs like pal de arco and the anthraquinone molecule in things like cascara and Chinese rhubarb and a few other plants that contain anthraquinones and how they how they have and I was only reading this afternoon on PubMed some articles based on those anthraquinones being proven to be anti-cancer having an anti-cancer effect so how do you understand because I was one thing for me just to quote PubMed articles and understand in my unlimited way from my own limited education background of how pigments work and in terms of how science has I’ve been taught understands it but how do you think you see those pigments affecting that electronic change there have been several lines of research on emodin which is the pigment in aloe and right and cascara and Chinese rhubarb and it has a tremendous unexpected range 38:08 of functions including a somewhat sedative or quieting effect definitely not a stimulant but activating oxidative metabolism in cells and having a bacteria suppressing effect and reducing inflammation these are all properties that WF Coke saw in the the simple quite known type of oxidative catalyst and the when the coke went to Brazil he began studying lapacho he was probably the one that made it famous which is a similar structure a multiple ring structure that has a deep color what these are doing is the same as carbon dioxide they’re modifying sort of tuning up the electrical system of 39:13 proteins in cells and that’s the basic idea that I think has been a common theme from farberg through st. Georgie is that it’s pointless to try to kill the cancer as if it was a parasite that could simply be removed because it turns out that when cells are normally being fatigued and replaced the dying cell stimulates the growth of stem cells to replace the tissue and that’s a process that happens in cancer the natural cancer cell is a very weak and defective so it doesn’t have a long lifespan but every time it dies it stimulates the replacement 40:17 of a similar defective cell and no matter how you kill the cancer cell it that area is injured and is tending to be replaced the the injury caused by killing it stimulates faster replace replacement in in most situations than just leaving it alone and the alternative idea is to tune up both the the tumor metabolism as far as possible and and the metabolism of the surrounding organism let me let me pause you there moment dr. Pete I think we’ve got one or two callers on the line so let’s start taking this first call of my call away from and what’s your question hi I’m calling from San Jose San Jose what’s your question my question is about the altitudes that dr. Pete mentioned is there any other factor like the weather or something that 41:19 influences it in addition to altitude for example let’s say Denver versus Albuquerque they have different weather but you know fairly similar altitude will both be beneficial or if there’s something else also to look at dr. Pete was what beneficial the altitude so he was saying was it was it any any other mileage in external factors like weather over the actual altitude that has a beneficial effect yeah I think excess humidity is harmful because our osmotic balance is part of the process of tuning up there’s an interaction between oxidation reduction and pH and osmolarity and and all of the regulatory processes interact and if you have very high humidity it’s a slight stress to the system so middle range humidity is good and as much daylight as 42:26 possible 15 hours of daylight seems to be optimal for a recovery from cancer so being in the Andes would be a good idea not humid closer to the equator and high elevation so my question to you dr. Pete then perhaps about humidity is somewhere like Hawaii not a good idea I mean I know it’s a sea level for a start but maybe right there you go the top monarchy at the top of monarchy alright so humidity said is a negative effect has a negative effect but outside that and daylight the the similar altitude will produce a similar benefit okay so I think we have another caller on the air hi caller you’re on the airway from and what’s your question oh this is Jordan I’m from redway and I wanted to ask dr. Pete a two-part question yeah dr. Pete earlier you said that when 43:26 cancer cells go from they either survive on glucose and then they when they’ve used all the glucose they go on to amino acids I was wondering are those the foods of choice for the cancer cells or is it because they’re so acidic or is because they’re readily available and then the second part of the question is I’ve heard you say before that amino acids create a medium in the body that allows cancer to grow and it’s confused me because the amino acids are essential so I just would like a little explanation on that it depends on what kind of amino acids the cysteine tryptophanes and methionine are the ones that most easily promote cancer growth and development but glutamine and several of the easily metabolized amino acids are the ones that fuel the 44:34 production of lactate even when glucose is not available or is currently being depleted so the stress that lactic acid reinforces turns on cortisol production and other stress signals that break down shift the balance away from protein synthesis to protein breakdown providing amino acids also fatty acids come into the bloodstream under the same stress conditions and if those are polyunsaturated that adds to the prostaglandin inflammation promotion and the stress hormones cortisol and the prostaglandins accelerate both the inflammation and the conversion of the tissues to food there have been several 45:41 types of experiments in which cancer growth can be slowed down by giving intravenous glucose the Russian researcher who was he began working on the Pasteur effect probably was aware of St. George’s thinking in the 1940s some of his research involved giving good doses of glucose either intravenously or orally and with the use of intravenous glucose and a higher provision of oxygen the ehrlich acides carcinoma he found could be reverted to normal metabolism the classical example of a cell that is in the barberg effect of making too much 46:46 lactic acid giving it as much sugar and oxygen as possible causes it to revert to a normal metabolism well thank you doctor that’s brilliant thank you so much thank you for that you think all the doctors thank you okay so I think we have another caller on the air so let’s take this next caller actually they just disappeared so hopefully they will call back in a second okay the number here if you live in the area is nine two three three nine one one oh if you’re outside the area it’s an 800 number one 800 kmud rad so dr. Pete we’ve talked about carbon dioxide high elevation being a quite an anti-cancer therapy and we’ve also talked about some antioxidants from like cherries and blueberries and the powder coat cascara what are some other things that you would say are pretty anti-cancer and help with this respiratory if you think of process the process of stress between too much excitation and not enough energy and 47:53 just look at things that are known to reduce excitation anesthetics some of the common anesthetics will turn off the excitation enough to slow down a cancer growth have they done like injections of lidocaine or yeah lidocaine has been proven effective against several different cancers leukemia and several solid tumors I think liver pancreas and breast prostate can I hold can I hold you there we do have another caller who I think maybe that call is called back so let’s take this all the lights for flashing you telling me there’s no caller no it’s a new caller oh okay it’s a new caller good okay caller you’re on the air what’s your question where you from hello hi you’re on there hi yeah um now do you advocate let’s say you have a lump that’s just contained it has a size let’s say it’s a lump in your breast or somewhere else can can that it’s 48:56 easily gotten to would you advocate surgically removing that lump so that it won’t continue to be a time bomb and keep growing Dr. P I can’t imagine you would but Dr. P if it depends on whole context I’ve had lumps or things that doctors advised me to have biopsied and I just changed what I was doing and the problem went away but if you aren’t aware of anything and you can change and if it for example if it’s hard and stuck to surrounding tissues so that it seems definitely to be cancerous then probably a lumpectomy is is okay if you make sure that the that you’re taking precautions against activating a cancer 49:59 by the surgery itself which what would you what kind of precautions can you take for example a surgery is done when a woman is in the low progesterone part of the month before opulation that is much several times more likely to metastasize than in the presence of high progesterone and I think the all of the things that are known to reduce excitation reduce lactic acid production and increase oxidative metabolism I think if if all of those are done then a lumpectomy is relatively safe okay we do have another caller so let’s keep moving here and get this next caller in I give them a chance to ask their question call away from hi I’m in Albion California my question is around thyroid it 51:01 seems that it needs to be an optimal function I recently went through about five years of really hard stress I’m having fatigue I have my thyroid levels drawn which what they draw is TSH and free T4 which come back normal but on the low end and I’m wondering if there’s another test they could ask for because I know if I increase the thyroid medication dose it will change my life but I’m wondering if we’re looking at the right labs okay there is one more caller after this Dr. Pete so thank you okay thank you I was gonna say ma’am if you take your temperatures and pulses at specific times of the day and specific reference to eating that’s a much more accurate gauge for yourself to to assess your thyroid function and if you contact us we can send you a form for free so a form that you can fill out your temperatures and your pulses at different 52:01 times they let me just let me and Dr. Pete do you want to mention something go here we’ve only got five minutes yeah the T3 is the essential active thyroid hormone and under stress T4 is converted to reverse T3 which interferes so you can’t at all interpret thyroid functions with just T4 and TSH and even T3 by itself you have to consider how much stress is causing it to be converted to the inactive and blocking form and so you want a good ratio of active T3 to reverse T3 and if you measure your cortisol you can see usually what is causing it to be inactive sugar glucose is needed to convert T4 to the active T3 53:01 form and to hold down the cortisol which would inactivate the T3 convert T4 to reverse T3 so sugar is protective keeping avoiding hypoxic conditions or inflammation that wastes oxygen locally any area that’s deficient in oxygen or has an excess of lactic acid can locally destroy active T3 I think I have to hold you there dr. Pete I don’t want to be rude but we’ve got a couple of minutes just to close out some information here before we before we sign off at eight o’clock so thank you so much for your time and is there any one last thing you want to say dr. Pete okay thank you so much dr. Pete and I want to make sure I announced before we wrap up here that the Broadway cinema is showing vaxxed or we’re trying to get it to show vaxxed there’s two showings that are potentially possible if people go online what’s vaxxed about that well I’m 54:05 going to tell you that in a minute well actually I’m trying to hurry up here so vaxxed is about a story of vaccination in families there’s a Facebook page vaccine damage yes definitely very much supporting that positive correlation between vaccines and damage and it’s from cover up to catastrophe it’s an investigation and how the CDC has covered up some information there’s a whistleblower it’s supposed to be a very interesting film I’m hoping to see it when it comes to Broadway cinema and Eureka if it does and you can visit the Facebook page it’s called bring vaxxed to Humboldt and you can go on to gather which is G A T H R dot US forward slash screening forward slash one six two three eight probably easier just to go to the Facebook page and then you can get information from there so the two showings are August 10th at 7 p.m. and August 15th at 7 p.m. try to sign up for the August 10th first so that we can actually get the film here otherwise August 15th will be the second showing 55:08 thank you for all the callers accordion we did have some more that we couldn’t get on and thanks so much for being there I just want to let you know that next month we won’t be doing the show but we’ll be back again in September and it’s my intention to carry this topic on through to next September because we hardly had any chance to ask questions that I wanted to get Dr. Pete to answer so thank you so much Dr. Pete for joining on the show until the third Friday of September my name is Andrew Murray my name is Sarah Johanna Samurray and we can be reached on one eight eight eight nine two six four three seven two that’s one eight eight eight WBM herb good night good night