The Precautionary Principle Part Two

00:00 Sounds like we got a glitch on the disc. Have to look at that for next month or else we’re gonna hear that again. Okay, so Welcome to this evening’s ask your ab doctor. My name is Andrew Murray. My name’s Sarah Johannes and Murray For those of you who perhaps listen to the show which run every third Friday of the month from 7 to 8 p.m. We’re both licensed naturopathic doctors who were educated in England and came to California where The land of the free home of the brave we practice herbal medicine and Nutritional counseling Have a clinic in garbable. Actually, you know what? We don’t have a clinic in garbable. 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That’s 3 8 3 9 0 0 7 So for people that are listening to the show Calls are welcome from 7 30 to 8 p.m. If people want to contact us outside of the show Monday through Friday Either go call us on as whole free number 1 8 8 8 WBM herb or if you want to email either of us Andrew or Sarah either Andrew or Sarah at Western botanical medicine dot com if you want to shoot his questions and stuff like that We’ve got time and we’ll certainly answer you okay So this month I wanted to continue from last month’s topic because we barely had time to get into the meat of it 02:01 and last month’s topic was a Subject the precautionary principle And this is something that dr. Pete was enlightening me to in terms of what I found out to be a Directive in law in Europe Whereas that directive is not in place in the States and there’s certainly Political and economic reasons for it, but some of the topics that will bring out later on the show will be pertinent To the fact that in this country, it’s not enshrined in your in law, but in the European Union it is so So reiterate the opening of last month’s discussion as I said the precautionary principle as applied To medicines and foods can be seen in Europe where it’s codified into law, but purposely not here in the US and Whilst this is not a political show, but rather a humanitarian and altruistic venture The politics of nature their nations with their attendant controlling vested interests and lobbyists 03:06 They most definitely are up for examination a regular phrase, which bears worthy cautionary advice Is if you want to know more follow the money and we’ve all heard that As I stated last month The World Charter for Nature adopted by the UN General Assembly in 1982 Was the first international endorsement of the precautionary principle and the principle was implemented in an international treaty as early as the 87 Montreal Protocol and among other international treaties and declarations is reflected in the 92 Rio declaration on the environment and development This was signed at the UN conference on environment and development Now the United States has opposed the use of the term principle because this term has special connotations in legal language Due to the fact that the principle of law is a source of law And this is the legal status of the precautionary principle in the European Union though And whilst I’m not a supporter of the Union due to its unelected bureaucracy There’s nothing wrong with international dialogue and trade with countries agreeing with one another on creative policies whilst 04:10 Retaining their own unique cultures language and borders And ultimately learning from mistakes and moving forward with better models Later in the show here I wanted to explore the nature of both Chris Busby’s article and a recent article I was shown from Dr. Ernest J. Stern glass and the relation to the whistleblowing on the dangers of the nuclear industry and the government control of data and disinformation I know in the election cycle that we’ve just gone through the mainstream media Certainly had a lot to say about disinformation and there was quite a war waged by both sides in terms of disinformation or information So we’re all familiar with that term So as I mentioned last month Chris Busby’s article and the invocation in Europe of the Eurotom suicide clause Which we’ll talk about later needs to be closely followed as there are legal ramifications in Europe which can force the hand of Willfully corrupt officials and institutions and this is in regard to accurate reporting on radiation leakage, etc 05:12 From these power stations on a side note I am pleased to hear that clean coal burning zero emission power stations are going to be supported once more and that energy Independence and lower energy costs can be a reality for us here in the US We’ve previously discussed the disinformation surrounding the lie of global warming and the real reason It was being pushed globally as carbon taxation designed to enslave us all with another life tax Just like the lie that we’re the barma care. You can keep you doctor and there’s no penalty for not getting health insurance Anyway, so Chris Busby’s invocation of the Eurotom suicide clause looks to pose a credible threat to the nuclear industry And Dr. Stern glass his publications clearly show the reality that no radiation exposure is safe So Dr. Pete, are you with us? Yes, and thanks so much for giving your time as you have been doing for some time now Every third Friday of the month. We really appreciate you being here so in terms of this precautionary principle just to 06:14 Briefly wrap from last month so we can continue with other topics of Stern glasses publication But but Buzbee’s publication and then get into the some of the issues surrounding things like GMO and nanotech as How safe are they and how they’ve gotten to where they’ve got? Could you briefly go through the process again of the? precautionary principle how it applies And then that will help people understand perhaps how in Europe where it doesn’t apply how things have maybe be managed differently And then we can look at the bureaucracy and the economic and political Involvement or interests that has stand to be gained from these people The principle really is nothing but saying the common sense should be Incorporated into public policy that it’s better to be safe than sorry but It’s really hard to appreciate 07:17 Why that is so controversial that You should know something about the probable effects of any action you take I was just reading about the The first big hydrogen bomb test the US Made in the Pacific the Very first atomic bomb explosion some of the people some of the physicists working on it I said that they had calculated there was a certain probability that the bomb might Start a chain Reaction in the atmosphere and destroyed the world. Okay, they went ahead with it because they said that was a small probability Well, it was pretty good to put it out there when they were Designing the the first hydrogen bomb out of they have to make a Portable device and instead of having refrigerated 08:20 Hydrogen gas they used lithium hydride or lithium deuteride as the source of the Fisher-fuse-fusible out of Deuterium and They were calculating that they would get a five megaton explosion from the amount of Deuterium at present in the lithium compound It didn’t occur to them that the lithium itself might undergoes a fusion and provide more Fusible material and in fact, that’s what happened the lithium itself Entered into the nuclear reaction and produced a 15 megaton three times explosion three times bigger than they calculated and so I’ve killed Fishermen irradiated second 09:22 people on the Japanese fishing boat and burned a lot of the sailors and military people who were watching it just because they Were so confident that they Were good engineers and good physicists They didn’t even think about the simple physical chemistry involved and That whole process Simple ignorance is something that you have to take into account when you’re working with anything dangerous but far beyond that Is the ulterior motive if they have some big gold that they’re after They aren’t going to the isn’t simply a matter of Not investigating the dangers, but of actually 10:23 falsifying the known Effects the non probable effects That’s where the precautionary principle Opens up something much bigger the fact that the the government has controlled Scientific information so drastically over the last six or seventy years That Even if you do try to apply the precautionary principle without the information you need It’s impossible to take precautions that that will save lives in the future Okay, now are you saying because In the states here this precautionary principle does not apply that it certainly gives a wider doorway Through which this kind of procedure can Get through Rather than being held accountable financially for reparation through the courts 11:26 Yeah, that that is one possible solution to it if If the information ever comes out that they really knew that they were killing people Then they could be held responsible because I I guess we’re skipping ahead a little bit when I think about vaccine damaged children as a pretty recent Revelation, you know in Dr. Andrew Wakefield being exonerated and It being brought to full public attention that vaccines really have damaged a lot of children Well, that’s direct that I mean that’s the government directly Giving that indemnity. Yeah, no, I’m just saying Where where that’s where that kind of thing has existed in this country. There isn’t any real There isn’t the same Simplistic recourse through law for reparation like there would be in Europe for example where they apply the precautionary principle in law But documents have come out that the insiders in the Center for Disease Control 12:32 knew the dangers and Didn’t want to make public, right? Yeah Okay, so that’s very different as willful or culpable in damage or involvement then and what now what are you referring to that the CDC did? the insiders knew the research showing the risks of Vaccinations all right as they knew the risks of radiation not just risks the actual yeah cause of cancer premature births brain damage When they are finally forced to Admit that there is some damage They traditionally have falsified the quantities of Toxins or the intensity of the damage to be expected In in the story that Chris Busby is telling 13:34 the government falsified the Herofima Agasaki damage over a hundred fold Trinkets of the actual damage produced over the years so is this because the Corporations are lobbying the government And well or owning the government that’s the lobbying Reaches the point all the guy where they don’t that’s not just lobbying. They actually own it Yeah, and so then they get to make up the rules Yeah, but the people working for the government are assured that if they Do favors for the industry They can quit their job in a few years and go to work for the corporations for ten times as much money So it’s slightly delayed bribery In internal gratification. All right, so in terms of Exploring this precautionary principle. How do you think we can develop a safe? 14:38 Innovations and without stifling progress or bring to market new ideas in a timely fashion without over-regulation or bureaucracy, which is another factor that I believe this incoming administration has made a campaign point of Stating they he wants to reduce regulations Wants to reduce paperwork Wants to make it easier to bring products to market. So what’s the best way forward with this just imagining that he does not want to You know do anything that is dangerous and that he’s not in it for money with his kind of ethos. How does this? Play out safely and Information has to be available to the public and that involves Alternative scientific opinion Being publishable, but when the journals are controlled by the industry 15:39 the What’s available? for example the Interference by Monsanto with articles that have been critical either stopping their publication or pressuring for the Elimination through retraction of already published articles and in the case of health physics and radiation the main journal journal of health physics is really a house organ of the nuclear industry and The articles that are published are just outrageously favorable Radiation claim that it’s actually good for people to be irradiated So there’s a lot of collusion basically between the industry and government and science and science. Yeah, it’s all it’s all a ruse Because a lot of the we’ve mentioned this many times about clinical trials being skewed data being hidden 16:40 And then we bought out last month to me that they’re Glaxo’s kind of record settlement of three billion in compensation as a relatively small part of their income and so it’s really It’s really not in the interests of these companies to be so prudent because either the reparation is not high in in contrast to the gross income of the business is Compared to what it would be if they had to make it safe and or not produce it and Then there’s all the lobbying that goes on between government and big corporations that like he said It’s very much an inside job and if there isn’t any truth in publication or a movement to provide the truth and Again, we have said this many times that the internet. I believe is really making a difference to the world populations Perception of what is true because there is plenty of information you can find 17:43 in any argument and Ultimately, you know what you begin to see what is the truthful side of what you may read Well, that’s getting changed, too I mean you try to find something on YouTube and you can hardly find it because Advertising sites that try to Tell you what they want to tell you or show you the part of the show they want you to see not the whole thing It’s very much like what you’ve you said and you have said it quite a few times in different parts of the show when you used to read Abstracts in the library of original research It was all well and good because it was original research and there it was but they started removing it from the libraries and now You’d have a hard time finding it on a web search because those abstracts either haven’t been reproduced or What you might find now you’re being directed to by Certain algorithms that are now becoming fairly commonplace within Google search terms or we’ve as we’ve heard about Facebook censoring now and they’re using fairly complicated algorithms to Produce the results they want 18:44 Yeah, everyone seems to trust of med but years ago the librarian posted a Notice for students to be aware that of med is not a science database and I Meaning it’s controlled by industry Yeah, and this is an industry to government military You know I compared some articles that were listed in Biological abstracts or chemical abstracts and then looked them up in in index Medicus or PubMed and The good articles were simply deleted. I would find conventional mainstream idea article right next to it a Very good article The bad article would be listed in PubMed. The good article wouldn’t be Now you said biological extracts and they are the other one that you mentioned chemical chemical abstracts 19:47 So these are both searchable databases that anyone can look at now if they want to they’re very expensive to you Oh that they are pay per publication type Yeah, subscription you can’t subscribe and then have access to the library if you Get your library to subscribe and then are a member of the library as a staff or student That’s the only practical way to get in and the library is unfortunately becoming a thing of the past, aren’t they? Yeah, shame. Okay. Well, you’re listening to ask your doctor on KMU de Galboville 91.1 FM from 730 to the end of the show at 8 o’clock You’re invited to call in with any questions either related or unrelated to this month’s continuing subject of the precautionary principle when food and medicine The number if you live in the area, there’s a temporary call in number of 707 code 383 9007 or if you’re outside the 707 number There’s an 800 number which is 1800 five six eight three seven two three 20:50 So dr. P in terms of The I’m trying to think what what is the best way of making this crooked road straight again in terms of It’s always a case of just follow the money if you want to know where Something’s going follow the money because that’s the only thing that people were ever really pursuing In business is the financial gain unless obviously they are PhD students who are doing theses and doing Research that’s hopefully not being tampered with or they’re not being steered in a certain direction Well abstract should have I mean fully referenced Scientific publications should have the the funding listed at the bottom and that gives you a cue to follow the money So what what would be the best way in terms of Getting a system in place where we could Free up the bureaucracy in the paperwork, which is so apparent in Europe and the European Union It’s a complete mess and very difficult to do anything because of the bureaucratic nightmare of legislation 21:53 How do we get by the? Safety aspects of anything that is either food or medicine or devices That people use so that there can be a truly a freely true open market and bringing product to market in a good time and Having a mechanism in place where there is a disincentive to be dishonest and and or dangerous Even though it would be nice to Be able to use the courts and to have congress enforce open Open information laws actual A Truthfulness in what they release under the freedom of information act If anyone has Had an experience with trying to get information out of the FDA for example 22:58 They they first stall and and then they Sensor what they they send you Blocking out the essential parts And or just saying that the information is no longer available such things It would be nice if if congress could actually create a freedom of information that worked but Since that’s Fairly well proven not to work I think it has to be something parallel using The internet for communication for example, I think people have to create alternative institutions to sort of like Wiki leaks of science and consumer information In which information That is more likely to be factual is is made available 24:01 To the general public Okay Makes me think about the first amendment and the freedom of speech and association And how how glaringly obviously important that is in terms of having a society that is not afraid to speak out And that obviously is something that is so suppressed in china Probably still in parts of russia And other stroke communist stroke socialist Dictatorships or tyrannies Um When people feel That there is nothing to be lost by being truthful then Amongst the people the decision can be arrived that we don’t want this anymore. This is not good. We don’t agree with it And that should bear out In a government response as the government is for the people by the people right not to be Telling the people what to do but actually working for the people so I think the whole dishonesty side of Uh Most of what goes on in or can go on. I don’t want to paint everybody with the top, you know the same brush But just to say that money totally is truly the root or the love of money is totally the root of all evil 25:07 If there was more honesty and transparency that would itself cause more trustworthy business and more You know products that were for our good That um, you know, didn’t have the same propensity to be Dangerous so getting on to Both these two articles one Um is chris buzzby’s uratom clause Um, I just wanted to mention this is an excellent Full report outlining the cover-up and the misinformation tactics used by government to hide the fact That the death of survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are still ongoing and killing tens of thousands every year Through cancers and genetic defects directly caused by radiation exposure And how this massive cover-up was done by the u.s. Government of all things into in order to keep and maintain The illusion that uh nuclear weapons were a good thing and that we could use them tactically Uh, wasn’t a problem, but it was a very quick way to really bring a rapid close to a conflict because of its 26:14 devastating effects When actually the truth behind that is so completely polar opposite and then another publication By dr. Ernest stern glass His work on no exposure as the only safe approach to radiation For our listeners his work can be seen by typing the search term nuclear witness dr. Ernest j stern glass And you’ll get a full list of publications at http colon forward slash forward slash radiation org forward slash reading forward slash aj stern glass pubs dot html so I wanted just to bring out a couple of um Things that are just obviously out there as part pardon parcel of factual reporting um the upi is Stated now the skyrocketing cancer cases in Fukushima Associated press have come out with an article alarming cancer rates after nuclear disaster 27:17 Other times has published child cancers up 5 000 percent In Fukushima and then radiation doses may be considerably higher than estimated um another thing closer to home here uh before we get into Some more the things that you might want to bring out about stern glass I know there was an interesting part of his history their way It was an interesting discussion here with Albert Einstein as part of part of the article But the spike in animal deformities on the west coast soon after Fukushima and then Hundreds of baby cows with distorted legs and other malformations And just in february 2017 here Dead whales with a record high number of deaths in hawaii and carcasses scattered throughout the islands in the pacific With sick and starving animals a mystery to experts A possible health effects in parentheses from Fukushima radiation off the coast blamed And then also Fukushima’s Environmental catastrophe has only just begun With a massive increase in radiation being continually leaked into the pacific being disclosed by tepco 28:17 Surprisingly in the last month so in terms of uh the nuclear industry and The precautionary principle I think Busby’s got it right if he can get this to court safely and or the european union Doesn’t just dissolve like it sure looks like it’s going to dissolve And sometimes soon here How how on earth how on earth can we really continue To defend nuclear energy in the presence of Technologies like clean coal that were being rapidly shut down and made far too expensive to operate By the obama administration In the light of it being a global warming Issue when actually global warming is a huge misinformation campaign all based on carbon taxation as a form of lifelong taxation um Do you remember when uh three mile island reactor melted down? Yeah, the public 29:18 Really started turning against uh nuclear energy because of the uh the fear of of a huge meltdown stern class Got in great trouble. Uh the the industry defamed him of beginning Even before that around 1970 they started saying he was totally Uninformed and so on because he had the actual inside information showing that the government was Under Estimating under declaring the amount of radiation being released by hundreds of millions of times Actually More than a million times More was being released than the government claimed or admitted and the the nuclear industry Professionally they taught everyone who worked in the nuclear industry that people like 30:22 stern class and guffman and alice stewart were simply Incompetent right? Even linus pauling was in trouble couldn’t Do the normal professional things because he was ostracized by other chemists and physicists because of his opposition to testing bombs in the atmosphere and so on I part of part of the article was stern glass as they mentioned the uh us us armies readiness and To commit all of these underground explosions and they were going to do hundreds of them To create caverns in which they could store natural gas And they started they I think they did one And the fallout from this was so great and the contamination was so great that It fortunately couldn’t be covered up 31:23 And I know they kind of had to stop that Being pushed forward, but they were fully ready to commit hundreds of nuclear explosions to this one project Up in the east up on the east coast that whole idea of atoms for peace Such as digging canals and producing Natural gas release and so on all of that was knowingly fraudulent. It wasn’t just a failure to observe the precautionary principle they knew They had the information right from the 1940s that small amounts of radiation caused Infant deformities Stopped brain growth in the utero Of caused birth defects of a great variety, but especially brain damage They knew what it would do but they for their their own purposes to 32:24 Be able to wage nuclear war of they promoted this idea that The bombs had a peaceful use And and that extended to the idea of producing cheap power Without counting the the cost of mining the uranium and processing it and killing the miners by of breathing the rate on ingesting uranium and so on the the military created a myth of free energy and peaceful uses of of the bombs and because of the public turning against nuclear power In 1978 as a result of three mile island of Process started in the Pentagon in which they 33:25 Had to revise Come come out with something more scary than nuclear power Just at the beginning of of 1980 Shortly just a few months after three three mile island they Reversed a trend of predicting a new Ice age which had been the data for from the late 1940s until In 1979 they were predicting a planetary cooling But the Pentagon and the cia came up with this idea of planetary warming a few months after the three mile island Or the nuclear the nuclear power industry told them to do that, right? Yeah, and well the military too because They need the nuclear power as a source of fuel for the bombs And so they invented 34:25 planetary warming Totally reversing the preceding 30 years of climate study As a way to say there’s something worse Than nuclear power if if we don’t use this clean cheap energy nuclear power We’ll overheat the planet and polar bears would will die and we won’t take into consideration how many Women children and men die from radiation poisoning. Yeah, and then when Chernobyl exploded and the nuclear industry in this country Ever since then 1986 to the present Have insisted that only a few dozen people were killed as a result of the Chernobyl meltdowns and the the Russians who were best informed on the whole process of Chernobyl and the cleanup calculated that 35:27 When they did the study it’s been about 10 years now. I think Up until that point 985,000 premature deaths from cancer had already occurred from Chernobyl alone and cancer is only one of the Causes of death from radiation. So if you a million people Versus 30 deaths from the u.s. Industries perspective At again 100,000 fold Different. Yeah Well again, I just want to say that it’s It’s very obvious to me. I mean, I’m only I’m only 51 so haven’t been around that long But it’s very obvious to me that there are cyclic Events that happen and I think it’s analogous to the Polyunsaturated facts that we first met you and talked to you with in 36:29 2007 that you were espoused in polyunsaturates is really very bad very damaging very oxidizable lip of friskin being a problem thyroid suppression being a problem and You’ve been saying that for a long time, you know probably two or three decades and Only just maybe in the last year or two years has that revelation become a little bit more mainstream Actually my interest in that Grew out of my interest in the radiation industry issue in the 1950s because the Those are the Fats that most Break down and become toxic under the influence of radiation And and excess of polyunsaturated fats Produces the same kind of damage that radiation injury does and my interest in estrogen relates to that because 37:32 estrogen and ionizing radiation Synergize each one produces the same sort of damage to the organism And both of those converge on the polyunsaturated fats in the tissues. So really it’s the government has uh participated in obscuring simple biological or chemical processes in the organism because each one impinges on Some ulterior motives that the government and industry has absolutely good Well, I just we have a couple of callers But I just wanted to finish up by saying that that is coming around full circle now where we see saturated fats Being portrayed is actually very useful now and polyunsaturates now being maligned the way it should have been And we’re talking about radiation now Or we’ve done quite a few shows on radiation damage And it’s just up to people to be able to hear this and get it into their minds Get it into the consciousness that we are the people our voices do matter 38:36 All we have to do is just stand up and just say we don’t want this There are other alternatives that are much better and much safer, but it takes a free society to do that You’re not going to get that in communist china or uh, you know Countries are the controlled by their governments, right? That’s what a free and open free and open Society is all about where the our voices are what direct the the government to put things into place Anyway, we have a couple of callers. So let’s take this first caller And caller where are you from and watch the question? Hi call you there Is this me? Yes Hi, I’m I’m from the San Francisco Bay Area And I found that as my hypothyroidism and estrogen dominance improves things are less and less overwhelming For example, I used to get anxious and overwhelmed with simple tasks like grocery shopping And recently someone told me that I was using my health issues as an excuse for laziness And so I was wondering what are your thoughts on the concept of laziness? 39:39 Interestingly, I’m the most productive when I feel very healthy like when I eat well sleep well, etc Absolutely Dr. Pete, would you like to answer that question? As an excuse for what laziness? Yeah, people I’m blaming people say no, you’re just using your health problems as an excuse to be lazy and not work Oh Um I I don’t think I’ve ever Run into anyone that had exactly that excuse Well, I think what the caller was trying to put through was Well, the way I interpreted it straight away was that when you are metabolically deficient It has a psychological effect. And I think it’s a very real effect. And so Um in terms of improving your metabolic health, everything improves with it I think whether it’s your thought processes your recapitulation or your 40:40 You know accuracy and your performance. It’s a bit like adaptogens like the russian has did that research on the loo throw and the ginsengs as cognitive Performance or cognitive enhancing Products no when you’re metabolically healthy, then you’re definitely the most productive um the chronic fatigue syndrome for quite a few years was Said to be a personality Issue right and fiber. Why would you I think they also put that down to but that’s something that can actually be measured Absolutely metabolically and hormonally and such absolutely Okay, you’re listening to ask you doctor on kmed garbable 91.1 fm From now until the end of the show eight o’clock you’re invited to call in with any questions Related or unrelated to this month’s subject of the precautionary principle If you live in the area, there’s a toll-free number. Sorry if you live in the area, there’s a regular number 707 code 383 9007 if you’re outside the area there’s a toll-free number 1800 41:44 568 3723 So dr. Pete, we do have another call on the air. Let’s take this next call a call away from and watch the question Hello Engineer do we have a caller We might gotta have gotten tired of waiting. I don’t know. Oh, we hear him now. I think you’re on the air now Where are you from and where’s the question? I did hear someone’s voice, but they’ve they’ve gone again. Well, if you’d like I would have I’m interested in in two topics If you have a time the first question would be is there a an ideal Body fat percentage to to aim for right and the second question would be related to sleep What do we know? What does science tell us about? How much we really need Maybe the sleeping positions Is it 42:45 You know, is it smart to sleep just, you know, sure once at night Okay, where where are you from the only thing about the the deep sleep You know how much time we we need in deep sleep and such things sure. Where are you? Where are you from? Um from finland finland you’re calling from finland now, are you? That’s correct and it is now 5 a.m. And very dark and very dark probably. Okay, dr. P What’s the ideal body fat percentage? I guess that’s probably and a proportion of the height and everything else and sleep I know you’ve got a lot to say about how much sleep a person should get but would you start with what you think an ideal body fat percentage should be I think it varies according to gender and age Uh, for example, young women who are overweight have a better Outcome of of breast cancer a lower incidence of breast cancer than those who are underweight 43:50 And what what age are you saying young women? um oh in the 20s and 30s and uh One of the greatest increases in cancer is occurring Among women between the ages of 25 and the early 30s It’s uh tripled in the last 30 or 40 years in that age group but Because of of that uh Relationship it it’s better for a young woman to be On the plump side, but then we’ve saturated fats So uh, yeah with with a good good diet and then in older people Being somewhat leaner for women is uh Reducing the risk of breast cancer, but in the old people in general um mortality is lower with uh 44:51 Uh heavier body weight Uh, they just have a greater resistance to stresses so You have to look at the individual and their age and gender and over overall Mortality goes down in old people who are are slightly on the heavy side So it’s very much relative to age then and uh age and gender because obviously that percentage will change then from I thought you said the older people who are slightly more plump have a Yeah, he did decrease mortality. Yeah. Yeah, right same with increased cholesterol and a slight increase of blood pressure in in old age is Is good same same with what do you think that body fat percentage would be there 20 percent 24 percent? Um, I think uh, that’s a little higher. That’s pretty that’s pretty low. Okay That’s too low. I remember when I was 19. I think I had it measured at 19 percent. Okay 45:52 And the person said I don’t think you’d uh ever be able to get pregnant at 19 percent So how about 30 percent? Yeah, I think 30 30 percent. Okay, good average. All right. And now how about your recommendations for sleep? I know you uh, I know you’re a good advocate of getting enough rest And the timing also and and the quality of the sleep is the thing Your your blood sugar has to stay fairly steady Not drop too much during the night. Otherwise the deep sleep is diminished and the uh the lighter phase of sleep in which you don’t Really repair your tissues becomes For example in a low thyroid person, uh, they might spend eight or ten hours in bed semi sleeping, but wake up feeling uh fatigued and stiff and so on And the the level of blood sugar and metabolic rate are the main things that 46:58 Allow the the deep and restful sleep The turnover of the brain tissue is very great during the night And uh, that that’s one of the places where polyunsaturated fats in in your For example, your thighs and abdomen during the night those are Released into the bloodstream and whatever is in the bloodstream gets built into the brain structure. Is it this terrific turnover? Constantly during the night of the brain substance Uh, so you want to keep your free fatty acids? Fairly low during the night by keeping your your blood sugar up. And so having carbohydrates close to bedtime protects the quality of sleep they’ve studied people with cirrhosis of the liver Who did much better on all their tests if they had 47:58 a fairly big dose of any carbohydrate sugar or rice for example at bedtime And the breakdown that happens with aging Primarily happens during the night Uh, the calcium loss from the bones It’s essentially all in the morning urine or the night urine Because that’s when the the stress hormones rise and cause the turnover So if you can take advantage of that rapid turnover if your Stores of of glycogen are high enough to keep the the free fatty acids down Okay, good. So, um I think I think you like to um, you like to suggest that 10 hours is really not too much sleep I don’t know, but you probably don’t need that much if it’s efficient sleep, right? But 10 hours is fine if it’s uh 49:01 I click if you’re going through the deep sleep and then the slight arousal meant back into the deep sleep but um, I I think it should be more than six hours for almost everyone. I think the caller was um, um, sort of thinking about perhaps your your comments on the Our quote unquote neanderthal sleep patterns where we’d actually wake up or maybe not even even neanderthal But you know, maybe not quite so far back in history. Is that where they say that? That humans used to go through two or three sleep cycles in a night and that actually was quite normal And actually now what we do we go to bed at 10 or 11 and we don’t wake up to seven is actually being abnormal Yeah, in the long winter for the night darkness Would be stressful if they wake up and and have a lunch in the middle of the night As that replenishes their glycogen stores and makes makes the night much less stressful 50:06 Right. Okay. So it’s all about how much sugar storage you have how much And you know, you’re not storing your sugar if you wake up at 3 a.m. And can’t go back to sleep There you go. That’s a cue. Doctors used to be Very negative about Night eaters like it was some kind of abnormality, but the studies in the last five years or so Good old doctors show that it’s very protective Excellent. And haven’t you said to dr. Pete that no one should get up before eight o’clock? I think so I like to quote that. Okay. If you’re in the area, they uh 7 o 7 numbers 7 o 7 383 9,007 Uh, if you want a call toll free 1 800 5 6 8 3 7 2 3 we’ve got until the top of the eye here And I haven’t ever met a night worker who is healthy, but I could still meet one. I’m not saying it’s not possible, but uh How about that as a question? That’s a little bit unrelated, but in terms of night shifts and and uh, this 51:06 gosh that the uh, the total imbalance of uh, circadian rhythm and night and day and uh, you know pineal gland involvement with You know serotonin and sleep and everything else. What do you think about people doing night shifts? um It’s very bad for the health increases the cancer incidence for example I think it’s very important to avoid it when it’s possible. Yeah, okay. All right. I think we do have somebody calling in here So let’s just see if this call is Actually a call I was gonna question a little bit if we didn’t get any more callers about clinical trials and how Because I know that you’ve certainly got uh experience with publishing Uh material and the whole clinical trial Um basis and the mechanisms, but anyway, we have a call here. So let’s take this next caller call away from and watch your question Hi, San Francisco Bay Area. I just called but but Sarah just mentioned that dr. Pete said before that you shouldn’t wake up after eight 52:07 Can you elaborate on that? I never heard of that before Dogs pee or you should you should wake up after eight. I think Right. Yeah, you you shouldn’t get up before eight o’clock in the morning And dr. Pete is that because at cortisol levels that are very high at the early hours of the morning? And if you try to Do much it’s a real strain on your system. Yeah, for example People who would go for a jog first thing in the morning Without eating They looked at their blood cells and their chromosomes and their white blood cells were broken and if they ate and then did their run there was no chromosome damage and That same morning susceptibility to stress Shows up in the the mortality There’s a morning peak in death from Strokes and heart attacks the blood is thicker in the morning and The the cortisol is that it’s daytime peak 53:10 So People are relatively fragile in the morning No, that’s why you don’t want to jump in a hot shower first thing in the morning before eating either Right, isn’t that lower blood sugar? Yeah Okay, so let me let me ask you in the six minutes or so that we have until the top of the hour about the clinical trials and in terms of Published published work. I think because Like you said, you know the the only real reliable source of information If you can afford it or if you can get a library to join to find real let’s say real but Unbiased public publications is the biological abstracts or chemical abstracts in terms of pharmaceutical companies falsifying Data And I know when I’ve questioned you about various abstracts and you’ve told me well that means this or this means that And that was actually not it’s not actually the way to interpret that. This is what they’re trying to do 54:12 Is there any way? Is there any way any easy way? for people to find I know glaring glaring mistakes in clinical trials or information about clinical trials that will help Find more accurate information about it or is it just completely sewn up by the companies doing the trials? uh, there if you think of Propaganda analysis When you’re reading a science paper You have to think about everything that they can do wrong Sometimes I see a paper with fairly good conclusions in which they did everything wrong but doing those Wrong techniques It Makes it a pretty subjective thing you can come up with Almost any conclusion you want if you’re using crazy techniques 55:15 and uh When you for example dissociate brain cells and put them in culture and if you separate mitochondria and Do techniques such as the patch clamp Recording a special way of Recording electrical activity There are things that have absolutely no physiological real meaning that Are very customary in the research papers So you you have to Look for connections How they can connect that to what’s happening in the real organism And if you look at studies on animals They can do things to animals The intact animals that you can’t do to a person and and so you can Get very good information if you Use an animal that’s a good 56:17 Model of a person, but if you use for example a rodent With its night cycle and and forget what time of day you’re doing the experiment They’re stressed if they’re A nocturnal animal and you do experiments during the daytime when they normally would be sleeping So you have to Look at the whether the animal is a good model of the person, but um typically Someone with an ulterior motive will use exactly those tricks of putting an animal in stress and claiming that it’s a good model or Using choosing an animal that has an opposite reaction for example to a cortisol and estrogen the Much of the estrogen industry is based on The claims about the estrogen and bone 57:19 health Based on on rodents They had been doing studies in dogs and they found that estrogen damaged their bones They gave up the dog studies and went Had to rodents because they could get opposite results. All right, let’s hold let’s hold you there dr. Pete. I do appreciate you Bringing that out, but let me get people. Well, I just want to say one thing Well, dr. Pete, that’s why we need you to help us sort out all this information because You have such a long history of looking at it and figuring it out and We really need you to help keep helping us dr. Pete. So I hope you stay alive for another 30 years I bet you are. All right. Well, thank you so much for your time dr. Pete. Thank you Okay, for those people who’ve listened to the show. Thanks for calling in. It’s always good to get callers from other countries Even I normally the east coast is pretty cool and then we get someone from out of the country. That’s great Uh, if you want to know more www.RayPete.com 58:22 Let me just reiterate the two people that we were studying chris busby b. U. S. B. Y Uratom E. U. R. A. T. O. M Claws uratom claws and also do go and have a look at dr. Ernest stern glass’s work as a very interesting Um section there on Einstein and his meeting with Einstein Anyway, there’s the glitch on the cd folks. So we’ve got to get that sorted out for next month My name is andrew. My my name is Sarah Johanneson. Murray. Thanks for listening and have a good night. Yeah. Bye. Bye