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Engineer

As always on reviews and opinions expressed throughout the broadcast day, are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the station, it’s staff, its board, it’s Underwriters it’s Hangers On or anyone else involved, thank you so much for joining us. Our phone number is 923 3911 where you are to be calling soon with your memories of Dr Peat. And here’s our theme song. Pipe music plays.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

Well welcome to this month’s Ask Your Herb Doctor, November the 17th 2023 Edition. My name’s Andrew Murray.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

My name is Sarah Johannesen Murray, welcome.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

You’re listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMUD Garberville, 91.1 FM, and on the web at kmud.org. We are also live streaming this program to our Western Botanical Medicine YouTube Channel. So you can listen live right now on our channel by searching “Western Botanical Medicine” in the search bar on YouTube, and click on the live stream.

Tonight’s radio show is a break from the endocrinology series that we’ve been doing, to honor Dr Peat, again. So it’s November of ‘23 we did our first tribute to Dr Peat when he passed away November of ‘22.

And hopefully there, amongst the stars and the bright light, his soul will continue. But I know that his life and works impacted so many people, and I think that’s the purpose of any one of our lives here on Earth is to positively impact other people for good.

He was so anti-corruption, and he was so keen to expose the truth in science, and in fact, for people to hear the truth, that sometimes it seemed incredulous.

I was just reflecting on the radio shows that we had done with Dr Peat since 2008 when we first met met him. And there’s over 136 radio shows that we have recorded with him. The bulk of which, except some of those that happened during covid, which is still yet to get put up, are on our website, westernbotanicalmedicine.com under the “Ask Your Herb Doctor” link.

So those 136 or more one hour shows that Dr Peat was just very much altruistic in his whole perspective on life, and bringing people of the truth, and not charging money. 😂 He was definitely not very financially motivated. He loved what he did, and he was just very much immersed into it, and he was probably one of the greatest Minds that I’ve ever had the pleasure of speaking to.

04:18 So this month’s radio show is another tribute to Dr Peat and his work. He’s not with us anymore but we are continuing the Legacy. So having spent the last 14 years working very closely with him and pretty much there weren’t too many days that went by that we didn’t phone him and didn’t speak to him about clients and patients.

So from January, this year, January, 2023. we’ve continued doing radio shows around the topic of Endocrinology. That was his specialty: hormones, thyroid hormones, estrogen, progesterone, and then a wealth of other subjects health related.

So it’s a tribute to Dr Peat, and we sent out a kind of broadcast flyer to people if they wanted to share any of their anecdotal history. And that’s basically what the whole show’s about for this next hour. So people are invited to call in any point in time from now on. We welcome any of you who’ve been touched by his philosophy and his approach to medicine. And the number here is 707 923 3911.

05:23 So the lines are now open. I see there is already a caller. So let’s take this first caller. Caller you’re on the air. Where you from? What’s your question, or what’s your, what would you like to share?

Wanita

Hi this is Wanita from Reno. I was seen by a doctor that was a friend of Dr Peat and he recommended some of Dt Peat's material to me years and years ago. Did you want me to give you more details?

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Hi. Hi Wanita, thank you for calling in. Can you please tell me what year that was that you were a patient of a friend of Dr Peat's?

Wanita

It was Dr Gambi #38 What is Dr Gambi's full name? and I’m thinking it was around about 1981 or ‘82. Somewhere in there.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Yes. Please can you tell us a story about how you first heard of Dr Peat in 1982?

Wanita

I had had some depression, anxiety, fear after the birth of my first child, and it continued for quite a while. It lasted probably a total of about five years. But after about three years I had seen another medical doctor in a different town where I was living. He just wanted to put me on Elavil and told me that’s just the way I was.

I did ask for a hypoglycemic test, glucose tolerance, and he reluctantly ordered it and then told me that I wasn’t, that it was okay.

And then, I was kind of embarrassed and intimidated so I didn’t go to another doctor again for about three years. Then I heard of Dr Gambi and so I went to him. And he was a friend of Dr Peat.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

And where was Dr Gambi at that time? Where were you living at that time?

Wanita

Eugene Oregon. And I did go see Dr Gambi and I was just bowled over by his kindness. He listened. He nodded his head and he kind of would mutter something about “well yeah that’s a symptom of this or that” you know.

As he was listening to me, it was like he wasn’t saying it was just in my head. So I started crying 😅. And he was handing me tissues, and I was just so relieved that a doctor was actually listening to me. And that was only the second doctor that I had gone to, because I had been, I don’t know, embarassed by the first one, and so I thought “well this is just in my head I can deal with it.”

I never took the Elavil. I flushed it down the toilet. But anyway–

Good job!

Wanita

😅 He asked if I’d ever had a glucose tolerance test and I said yes, that this other doctor had ordered it but everything seemed to be normal, apparently. So he had me fill out paperwork and he sent for that: the results.

And I was nowhere in the normal range anywhere on that test! It was low. It was always below the normal range.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Sorry, Wanita can I interrupt you for a moment? Do you have the live stream or the radio playing or something because there’s a lot of feedback?

I don’t have anything playing here.

Are you on a speaker phone or?

Oh yeah. You want me to take it off of speaker?

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Yes please, if you don’t mind. Just so we can hear you a little clearer.

Is that better?

Yes that does sound better, thank you Wanita.

Wanita

You’re welcome.

So, anyway, he's told me that, you know, I did have Hypoglycemia and he recommended that I buy a book called Nutrition for Women by Dr Ray Peat and I still have that book and it has a lot of articles about– good information about all kinds of conditions that women have: menstrual breast pain, arthritis, stress, immunity, fatigue.

And Dr Gambi at that time told me to take B complex, a very high amount of B complex, which I did. And I took it for– I took it after he told me to, until I started seeing you guys.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

See, what year was that that you first came to see us?

Well, I think it was around 18 years ago.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Yeah, that sounds about right. And that was when I had first started working with Dr Peat. And when you first consulted with us you were so surprised that we were working with Dr Peat because you had worked with Dr Gambi, who had worked with Dr Peat and it was just such a beautiful coincidence.

Wanita

Yes. Yes, it was actually kind of reassuring that I was heading in the right direction after having my experience with Dr Gambi. And we had in the meantime moved to Reno so I had lost that contact.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Right. Well that’s wonderful. Thank you for sharing that Wanita.

Wanita

I have another story about Regina but it’s not so much Dr Peat it’s more with what Western Botanical has done for her.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Well if you’d be happy to share that, that would be great. And I can put in how Dr Peat helped me with helping her.

Wanita

Okay. Regina is my daughter-in-law, and she started having seizures. She had passed out a few times when she was younger. Her mom had had her tested and they didn’t find anything that they thought was causing it. But it wasn’t real significant, but it continued to escalate, and finally she was having grand mal Seizures. And they were so bad she couldn’t drive for about three months at a time after each one. Her stomach was always upset.

She had to stop–her husband’s a minister–she had to stop going to youth camps and church things with him because she might have a seizure. And this wasn’t, you know– her life was just, kind of like, you know, from seizure to seizure. And so somebody told us about you guys that had had– their son had had an experience with you guys. And so I called you and you told me “well I need to talk to Regina because if she’s not willing to change her diet then it’s not going to do any good.

And you called us. We had a conference call. And when she explained her symptoms and what was going on, the first thing you said was, you know, high estrogen causes epilepsy. And she had just gotten some lab results because after she’d been diagnosed with– after these seizure she went to a Neurologist and had been diagnosed with epilepsy and was on Dilantin. And he had ordered some labs and her estrogen was flagged by the labs as it was off of the chart in the lab.

But he said “ah, don’t worry about it.” So she asked her gynecologist and she said “don’t worry about it.”

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray
😨😅
Wanita

So that didn’t seem to be a concern to anybody. And of course, we didn’t know any better.

12:21 But Gina was very willing to try what you guys were telling us about, cuz you said “if we weren’t willing to do the diet that it wouldn’t do any good.” And so we drove the seven and a half hours over there and consulted.

And she started in– and I think with your training and your help she was able— it took her about a year to get off of Dilantin if I remember correctly. And she continues to still have a seizure once in a while, but not nearly as often as– you know, before they were just breaking through like every two or three months, even with the Dilantin. And they had raised the Dilantin to 500 milligrams a day. And I think 600 was about the top that they could give her, but she was at 500. And she was having all kinds of side effects from that.

But she changed her diet at your recommendations and from your consulting with Dr Peat. She did the testing for thyroid levels and you guys gave her really good advice. And she is the only epileptic that I know that had grand mal seizures that is completely off of any kind of neurological drug. And she controls it with her diet.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

13:39 Yeah and I just want to say that I– when you first contacted me I said “well I can definitely help you with herbs, but I’m working with this brilliant doctor who can help her with the diet, and I think together she can come off her epileptic drugs, and she can be free of seizures, for the most part.”

And she has been.

And she has been.

Wanita

Even more so as years have gone by. I don’t think she’s had a seizure now for about a year and a half.

Yeah.

Wanita

And usually those are under like maybe a lot of stress, and maybe some diet interruptions or something.

Engineer

14:16 And my understanding is Dilantin and the other seizure medications are actually really, really horrible and affect your day-to-day life in a lot of ways, is that accurate?

Wanita

Oh! It was terrible! The doctor even told her– he said “well with Dilantin you wake up”– and he said “you just wake up stupid.” And so she would try to do something like, say, make coffee, and she would maybe forget to put the grounds in. So she'd start over and then she'd, you know, maybe forget– she might get it all together but forget to turn it on.

I mean it was this in the morning when she would first get up, She had this really awful time. And then–she has a sensitive stomach anyway–and the Dilantin made that 10 times worse, and she never really felt good and she was always thinking “well maybe I’m allergic to this, I’m allergic to that,” and she would try eliminating it and then she would still feel the same way, or she just– we didn’t know what to do. We had no clue, we just didn’t know what to do. I didn’t know that you could treat epilepsy other than with, you know, pharmaceutical drugs. So it was such a relief to find you guys.

Because she couldn’t she couldn’t attend Bible camps with her husband. She couldn’t drive her kids to music lessons, or soccer. I was filling in for her with all those things, but those were things that, you know, you’re missing out on your children’s lives.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Exactly.

Wanita

And so it was just a joy to finally get her to where she could live again and start taking part in all the things that she'd had to quit.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

Yep may it goes

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Well thank you so much Wanita for calling in and sharing yours and your daughter-in-law’s story, Regina I really appreciate that.

Wanita

We’re very, very appreciative of you guys and the good results that she’s had and that I’ve had too, because I followed the diet. Thank you so much.

Awe, thank you for your call.

Thank you. Bye.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

06:10 Okay so let’s just put this out again, whoever’s listening, we’re taking calls from now until 8 o’clock. The number’s 707 923 3911. There’s lots of chatter going on in the live stream and I know that we sent out a request earlier on if people wanted to call in.

So just going back to the very beginning of what we, yeah, what we found in 2008, this treasure, and just, I guess, just kind of buried there, because nobody knew about Dr Peat at that point in time, and the internet really wasn’t that prominent. I know YouTube had probably just started gaining traction and you know the internet in general. It kind of just you know just starting to take off and people were on devices and, I think, iPhones were just starting to come out.

But but nobody knew Dr Peat! I mean, you couldn’t find anything. If you Googled Dr Peat you wouldn’t find a thing.

17:05 So let me take this next caller. Caller you’re on the air. Where you from and what have you got to share?

Female Caller

Hey Andrew.

Hey, good evening.

Female Caller

Good evening to you and Sarah. It’s so lovely, it’s just a gift to get to [inaudible].

You know I first met Ray when probably–

Engineer

Caller, you’re cutting in and out a lot. If you’re on a cell phone is there a better place you could, maybe, talk from, or if you’re talking through your computer maybe you have a connection issue?

[inaudible]

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Yeah, we’re having a really hard time hearing you.

Oh!

Engineer

Like, every third syllable cuts out.

Oh, well um. Hold on a second.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

Yeah we’ll wait for you to get a better signal if that’s what the issue is. But we’ll sit tight.

Is that [inaudible]

No…

Hello?

Yeah, carry on say something.

Is that better [inaudible]

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

Erm, no. Well I heard “is that better” but then you cut out.

Okay, well let me call back on a different line.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

Sure, yeah go ahead and do that. Okay, no problem. We’ll wait on that.

18:21 So, as I said, back in 2008 when we first came into contact with Dr Peat it was through a breast cancer survivor whose daughter had gotten diagnosed with breast cancer. And that was the very first time we’d ever heard the name Dr Peat and, like I said, you couldn’t find him anywhere!

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Well, apart from his website, he did have a website.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

Yeah, okay. 🙂 he had a website. 😅.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

–in 2008.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

He did.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

I couldn’t find very many external links or, you know, mention of his name online in 2008. I know there were people, I’ve talked to people, like, you know, I mean, the client Wanita, who just called in. She had been working with Dr Gambi in the 80s, who was working with Dr Peat. So obviously he’s been busy working away all these years, but when you searched on Google or you did an internet search it was hard to find him listed. And we’re so delighted that, now, on Twitter, on YouTube, there’s just so many wonderful ways to hear Dr Peat.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

19:26 Yep. Okay. So 2008, that was the first experience. He came on the radio show and he did a program specifically on polyunsaturated fats and it was kind of mind-blowing because, even with our, kind of, herbal medicine degree in England, which was a four-year, full-time degree that you did once you’d got your prerequisites done; you did a four-year University program. We were taught, you know, fish oil was good for you. We were taught sugar was bad for you. Salt was bad for you. And all these things that he just exploded as completely untrue.

20:02 And, okay, caller–let’s take this call and let’s see if we’ve got better reception–go ahead.

Female Caller

Hi Andrew, is that better?

I think it could be, yeah go ahead.

Female Caller

😊 Okay, well I first met Ray when I was about 30, and I was a vegan at the time and freezing and had low thyroid and everything, and Ray just set me straight and told me pretty much everything I was eating was not working.

Alright.

Female Caller

And then about seven years Around 2016. ago I had major health issues and Ray saved my life!

And something that Ray did which I haven’t ever shared with anyone, is he actually worked with my doctor.

Okay.

Female Caller

He did phone calls with my doctor to help my doctor understand what was happening.

What year was this?

That was 2013.

Okay.

Female Caller

Yeah, he actually did three way phone calls with my doctor to help with what was wrong with me. [inaudible]

And you have an open minded doctor too.

Female Caller

Oh, she was amazing. She actually heard about Ray from several of her patients. And at one point she said “I defer to him.” She said “because he knows more than me!”

Yep.

Female Caller

You know, which was pretty vulnerable, but it was so loving of Ray to do that, and so vulnerable. And, you know, I’ve often thought about that, and about just the love and the caring to do something like that.

And what I found to be true from being friends with Ray was his relationship with his wife Katherine. #39 What is the full name of Ray Peat's wife Katherine? Because she adored him. And we got together several times, and just to see how much love and caring, and how she felt about him–she calls him “Raymond”–and just when she would say his name you could feel her love!

And, you know, I think about, you know, Ray, like you said, like fish oils and sugar and all these things, and about estrogen and thyroid, these were so radical, like, how could a person be brave and tell the truth all the time?

And as I got to know Ray and Katherine I realised it was because the love he had in his life! You know, I think that you have a lot of love around you, you can be brave, because you have that love and,

Yep.

Female Caller

So, you know, I know oftentimes people don’t know that much about, you know, Rays's personal life or Katherine or anything, but he really had a good life.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

23:16 Yeah, I never met anybody, I think, who has just given so much and, yeah, he was just so passionate about it that I think all the time he was by his computer and he was searching stuff, and he was, you know, he was just like a bookworm, an old fashioned bookworm, you know, with a head in a book.

His head was in the computer and he was searching abstracts and articles, and I don’t think there was anything that I ever asked him about that he didn’t have an answer for, he was incredible.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

23:48 He did tell me one time, 😂, he said “I still haven’t figured out a couple things.”

Female Caller
😅🤣
Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Cos I think I said to him, I said “is there anything you don’t know Dr Peat?” and he said “well, I don’t understand why cats purr.”

😂 That’s interesting, well he has–

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

And he also said “I don’t understand why we yawn.”

There are two things, 😂 he told me, 🤣

Female Caller

Oh, I wish I’d known that. I read somewhere once that people yawn because you’re trying to get more oxygen.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

I think that’s the commonly accepted theory for it. But hey, we’re not in a position to refute it at this point.

😄
Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

24:29 How– so just go ahead, now you’ve called in, what’s one of the most relevant things that he’s helped you with, or he helped you with back then when you were consulting with the doctor through him?

Female Caller

Well, the biggest thing that Ray helped me with was sugar.

Uh-hmm.

Female Caller

You know, that was– I had been someone who had, like– I could go years and not touch sugar. And I did all the diets and everything, and he was the first person that I said to him “I know you won’t believe me but I probably only eat about 500 calories a day and I can’t lose weight!” And he said “Oh no, Of course! Someone with a low thyroid of course.” And that was revolutionary for me, because anyone else I ever spoke to, they’d look at me and they’d go “Oh my God you’re overweight, you must eat this, and, you know, I wasn’t, and that was revolutionary and when he talked to me about eating sugar and I, you know, I would say “are you sure Ray? Is it really all right to eat sugar?” and he’d say “Yes, it’s really all right to drink orange juice. Yes, you really need it” and that was lifechanging for me, you know, besides about estrogen and my thyroid and everything. But just that level of acceptance from someone, to please say, like, “No! I don’t overeat” and, you know, “I do everything and I’m not losing weight.” It was so so healing.

Uh-hmm. Yep.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

26:09 I know, and a lot of times I think people understand that if you eat sugar or honey without the starchy carbohydrates like the flours and everything else it goes with, and you just have it with your coffee, or with your milk, or added to your orange juice, if you just add sugar or honey to those items that don’t have that starch there it doesn’t feed the bacteria in your small intestine, and it doesn’t cause the feeding and overgrowth of yeast organisms and candida because it’s absorbed in the stomach and there’s nothing left when it enters the small intestine. And that is what Dr Peat was meaning when he was saying “eat sugar.” He wasn’t saying go eat cakes and cookies

Female Caller

No, no, no.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

–and candy bars, you know, he was suggesting that you use it as a fuel, as a carbohydrate fuel– and he told me one time, he said “well how do you think the pyramids were built?”

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray
🙂
Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray
🤣
Female Caller
😆
Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

He said, “the Egyptians had discovered sugar.”

Female Caller

Yeah, and I remember recently coming across something somewhere that he wrote that he was talking about “every great civilization that was innovative and intellectual,” they all ate sugar!

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

Uh-hm.

Female Caller

And, you know, I mean, still every day you see on the internet somewhere: “don’t eat sugar.”

Yeah.

“Don’t eat sugar.”

It’s a cult. Yep.

Female Caller

And, you know, it’s still out there. And when I think about the impact on women.

Umm.

Female Caller

And the misinformation that women get. And, you know, friends of mine that have had– females that have had health problems, and the misinformation, the things that they’re told, it’s really, it’s sorrowful.

Yep.

Female Caller

28:02 But I also want to say, that I think is really important since Ray has left the physical plane, is there’s so many people now talking about Ray and his ideas. And places like Ray Peat Forum, as an example, even though there’s, you know, sometimes there’s things there that are inaccurate, there’s a love there of people wanting to help each other, and people caring. And like the work that you and Andrew do, that Ray's work is continuing and the love that he started is still ongoing, and I think, like, what a wonderful thing to think about your life, that you started all this, and it’s continuing.

And, you know, I know how important it is, the work that you and Andrew do: I lean on it. And, you know, so many other people that are sharing Ray's information, it’s just, it’s beautiful.

And even though I know sometimes there’s inaccuracies and things like that, but the love is still there, and people wanting to help each other, and I really think that’s good, especially now in our world where we need more love.

Yep. Can’t get enough.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Yeah Dr Peat set a really good example of sharing information and caring for people– truly caring. He truly cared for every client I would ever talk to him about. He truly cared and he wanted to help.

Female Caller

Oh yeah, he did.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

He wanted to help everybody. And I think that’s a good example he set for all of us practitioners who use his wonderful advice, and for people that are trying to help themselves from his advice. You know, it really– the love spreads.

Female Caller

Yes and there, you know, sometimes, you know, just because he had that information– it was his choice as a person to share it, to be that kind of human being. He didn’t go “oh I’ve learned this and I’m going to keep it to myself!” he was gracious giving. I have a friend who says “gracious giving is when you give a part of yourself when you give,” and Ray practiced gracious giving. He was always–

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

Yep.

Female Caller

–you know, if I’d have a phone call with him, an hour later I’d get an email “Oh, here I want to tell you this.”

Yeah.

Female Caller

Just, you know, it was so beautiful, and I think he was a happy person because of that–

Uh-hm.

Female Caller

You know, even though he didn’t get the recognition that he deserved, and certainly monetarily–

Yeah.

But he was happy.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

He wasn’t interested in that. He just wanted to be on the phone, talk to people, and share what he knew.

Yeah, yeah.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

That’s the bottom line. He was not at all financially motivated I can– be assured of that. can Well thank you so much for calling in and sharing. I just want to make sure that people that are waiting get a chance to share also, but thanks so much for saying what you’ve said about him and remembrance of him.

Engineer

31:27 So, a caller would like the spelling of Dr Peat's last name so that they can find stuff online.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Okay, it’s– well his website is www.raypeat.com and that’s “R A Y,” and then the name is Peat: “P E A T,"–like peat, moss– “.com”. So, “PEAT.” “RAY PEAT.”

And now that we’re talking about his website, it is in the process of being updated. And you can’t order books or newsletters on the website at the moment, but you can now email raypeatpublishing@gmail.com to order books and order newsletters. And please remember all of this copyright material is protected, and please respect the copyright, because, he’s dead, but his copyright is not.

Engineer

And, I foolishly said I’d ask a quick, easy herb question for you guys. Well, maybe easy cos you’re a smart group of people: “blood coagulant herbs.” Someone had an operation or something and they want herbs that will thicken the blood.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

Mmm.

Engineer

And of course, you caller, you’re probably listening in, and you should always– I should have said “no.” Because you should always really be available to get more information, because whatever they tell you now is not as good as the information you would get if you actually let them ask you a few questions. But here it is guys: “blood thickening herbs please.”

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

Yeah.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

32:55 Well–

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

Alright, I’ll say my piece after you say yours.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

So Vitamin K is amphoteric. Vitamin K2, it helps to keep the blood from being too thick and too thin. So that is the one supplement–

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

In terms of regulating platelet-activation factor and those other clotting cascades.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

–yes and CoQ10 is a precursor for your body, I mean K2, sorry, is a precursor for your body to make its CoQ10. So Vitamin K2 and CoQ10 are what I would call amphoteric, they’ll help keep your blood healthy.

Engineer

And what herb or food sources have a lot of K2?

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Vitamin K2 is found highest in green leafy vegetables such as kale. Kale is King. Also in nettle leaf and you can get some of that through making nettle leaf infusion, but really kale is probably higher in vitamin K2. You do need to be careful with kale because it is very thyroid suppressive so you might want to, if you have thyroid issues and you want to eat kale and eat enough to get a lot of vitamin K, then you would need to boil it. I usually boil it for about an hour in order to help make it more digestible, and to get more of the vitamins and minerals out. But having said that, there’s still not very much in there if you really need to regulate blood thickness and keeping your blood in a healthy range you would probably need to supplement with vitamin K2.

Engineer

34:19 And fermented foods have that as well?

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Yes, fermented foods do have some vitamin K2 as well.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

But as [inaudible] said, there’s one milligram per drop K2 product by a well-known manufacturer, so– can easily be found on the internet, folks. So, if you type in “1 milligram per drop vitamin K” and you expressly look for one milligram per drop you’ll find a good company. It’s not cheap but it’s very alternative and one drop will buffer the effects of a 325 milligram aspirin tablet in terms of its, you know, blood thinning quote unquote–

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

That will help thicken your blood if you want to say it like that. If aspirin thins your blood you can take vitamin K2 to help thicken your blood but it doesn’t really thicken your blood because it’s, like I said amphoteric so it helps keep it regulated, and the company is Thorn Research. It does come in MCT oil which a lot of people are allergic to MCT oil even in the one or two drops daily, so you have to use about four times as much topically if you need one drop. So you’d have to use four drops topically rubbed on the inner part of your arm or your inner thighs.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

35:24 Okay, so we have a couple of callers waiting here. Let’s take this next caller.

Caller you’re on the air, where you from, and what would you like to share?

San Francisco (Female)

Hi I’m from the San Francisco Bay area and I’d like to share a memory that I have with Raymond, Dr Peat Peat.

I was fortunate enough to speak with him every weekend for about four years that started in 2018. And he just dramatically changed my life. It was a huge blessing that I don’t feel like I was– deserved to have. But I’m so grateful for him and that relationship. And I would say my most memorable conversation I’ve ever had with him, probably the last, maybe the second to the last conversation I had with him, I think it might have been in September of last year September, 2022, is I told him that I wanted to one day be able to be of service to, potentially, families that have children on the autism spectrum and help them out nutritionally somehow with, maybe, some of the stuff that that I’ve learned.

But I said, you know, “Dr Peat maybe could I just forward people to your email and have you interact with them” and he, you know, he graciously mentioned that he’s a bit too busy for that. But I told him, I said “I feel bad cos I’m not courageous enough or strong enough to help in this capacity, because you’d have to reveal a lot of truth about,” you know, I’ve had people tell me that their children have been injured by vaccines and they saw a significant night and day difference before and after which has led to autism.

But his response, which I can almost hear his voice thinking about this, and it just it just shows a lot of courage, it’s just who he was as a person. I told him I didn’t think I was courageous enough to actually spread truth about this.

And he said–I actually wrote a note on my phone let me just find it real quick–he said “it’s not a question about how strong you are, it’s not a question about how much courage you have, it’s about what needs to get done and what’s right.”

And he basically–and I’m paraphrasing this because this happened a while back–but he basically said “that there are a lot of people that have been injured or hurt or just a lot of devastating things that have happened to people’s health” and he basically said “it’s really about doing what’s right–

Yeah.

San Francisco (Female)

–and helping these individuals that are suffering.” And I was blown away by that.

It’s not a worldly view is it, perhaps?

San Francisco (Female)

Yeah, yeah. And I’m just so grateful for him for everything that he’s done. If people haven’t started out his nutritional recommendations I just recommend they just start because it’s life-changing. I started that before I even tried supplements and just his nutritional recommendations have changed my life.

38:08 And then the last thing that I want to mention is, I’ve come across a book recently, it’s a dating book. #49 Which dating book suggests wives can amplify their husband's testosterone? It talks about how a woman can actually amplify her husband’s testosterone levels and it made me think of Dr Peat's wife.

And thought I just know that there’s no way that man could have accomplished everything that he’s accomplished without a good woman by his side.

Haha.

San Francisco (Female)

and I’m just so grateful that he was blessed to have Katherine in his life, because I don’t think he would have done nearly what he accomplished without her.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

Yep, it takes two to tango. Well thank you so much for your call.

38:45 I think we have another caller here waiting on the line. So for people that are listening it’s a tribute to Dr Peat, it’s the first year of his anniversary of his passing, Thanksgiving 2022. The number’s 707 923 3911, if people are listening, they want to share their experiences with recommendations that they took from him and how their lives improved thereof then please go ahead and call 923 3911. So let’s take this next caller.

39:09 Caller you’re on the air, where you from what is your question?

Hey we got… engineer? Okay caller you’re on the air, I think. Go ahead, where you from and what would you like to share?

Marine County (Male)

So, Marine County.

Okay Marine County, go ahead.

Marine County (Male)

Yeah so I just want to say without Dr Peat I wouldn’t have known to get a thyroid panel as a young guy, you know. So seeing what my TSH was, you know, Ray basically influenced me, you know, take a moderate dose of a thyroid hormone.

Energy levels are up. testosterone–even though it’s okay–went up 100 points. He help me, you know, give progesterone for my arthritic mother. I’ve been able to help a lot of people with just his recommendations.

Uhm.

Marine County (Male)

40:07 And one thing I’m gonna say about Dr Peat that I think is really underrated is, you know, with a lot of Alternative Health stuff you hear, like, ancestral diets and stuff like this, but I thought Ray was really good at making people appreciate New World,like, knowledge. Like, you know, mentioning cascara sagrada,

Uh-hm.

You know, and stuff like this cos–

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Sorry Carl, can I interrupt you. We’re having a really hard time hearing you, are you on speaker phone?

I am not on speaker phone.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Okay, because your signal must be cutting in and out because we’re not hearing all of your sentences.

Okay. Hello, can you hear me now?

Well, yes carry on.

Okay, did you get what I said about the New World?

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

You were starting to say “New World”, and “he had a way of helping people see something” and then I couldn’t hear.

Marine County (Male)

Okay, so I just appreciate the fact that Ray opened up the– just the idea that the New World has so much to offer with regards to health. Because with a lot of Alternative Health communities you hear about like ancestral diet and stuff, but Ray was big on cascara sagrada and masar harina and stuff like this.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

Uh-hm.

Marine County (Male)

And I think without him the New World contributions to health would be overlooked. Yep.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Yes he had an amazing amount of knowledge that he so freely gave.

Marine County (Male)

Yeah, and I think he basically inculcated, like, a lot of knowledge for a whole new generation, and I think there’s like, maybe, at least a hundred of, like, top minds that are going to be contributing, like, for the betterment of society. Like, we’ll see. We’ll see in the next decades.

Yes I believe that.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

That’s the hope, that’s the Hope.

Marine County (Male)

Yeah. Okay that’s it. But much love for Ray Peat and much love for you guys.

Yeah, thank you for your call.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Thank you for calling in.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

42:28 Okay, so once again the number here if you want to call in with any tribute is 707 923 3911, and the show’s running until 8 o’clock.

So, just to go back over the, some of the history with Dr Peat, looking at the shows that we’ve did with him over those 14 years. some of the kind of groundbreaking things that he brought to light were how toxic the liquid oils were, that are ubiquitous in the food supply.

42:58 So the Criso's and the polyunsaturated fats the general industry was touting as healthy, how toxic they were, how thyroid suppressive they were. And he brought out plenty of evidence supporting the perceived benefit in psoriasis patients or eczema patients, that would experience relief from their inflammation and their itching and their condition by using polyunsaturates or fish oils as we commonly call them being some of the worst culprits, is because they actually downregulated the immune system. So they were very thyroid suppressive and immune suppressive.

So, whilst that may have been perceived as some kind of a benefit, the Toxic effect of it was the reason why somebody felt like they were getting better. So, to the detriment of their metabolic rate and their metabolism in general it was just perceived as being a good thing, but he brought out the science #51 Where did Ray Peat provide evidence that the anti-inflammatory effect of polyunsaturated fats was a consequence of immunosuppression? of how dangerous it was and actually to get to the bottom of someone’s psoriasis or their eczema as a matter of fact to be the best way of approaching it.

44:04 So, let’s just take this next caller.

You’re on the air, where you from and what would you like to share?

Brendon

Hi, my name is Brendan I’m from Pomo County.

Okay Brendon go ahead.

Brendon

Yeah, I just like to share that after Peat kind of came to me in a, sort of a, a dreamlike state. I was kind of in a shallow state of dreaming. It might have been an REM type state, and he just came to me. And I never really had any interactions with him before but, I don’t know if any other people that had interactions with Dr Peat could share this relationship, but–

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Okay, well sorry caller, can I stop you right there. Are you–

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

Terrible, every call has been such a poor call quality.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

–I know, I’m sorry we’re having poor quality here.

Engineer

I was able to hear that?

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

I can hear– there’s nothing but, kind of, reverberation, and echos, and–

Engineer

Well he feels that Dr Peat came to him when he was in, sort of, a half dream state and was curious if other people had experienced any sort of–

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

Hhm.

Engineer

Is that is that correct caller? Did I hear you correctly?

Brendon

Yeah, yeah. You’re correct, and I think I had heard of him before but I never really knew any relationship to him or actually knew him as Dr Peat, but he just– and I just woke up, and it was kind of like, you know, day– kind of a Daydream. I don’t recall if I actually went to sleep or was just during the day, and I came out, just felt more full and kind of more energized, and wanted to share that experience.

I don’t know if anyone else experienced that, but that’s just what I had experienced at that particular moment about several months ago.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

So you’re saying you felt like Dr Peat appeared to you in a dream several months ago?

Brendon

Sort of like that. I was just– it’s kind of hazy at this point, but he kind of, I guess he just kind of reached down and touched me in that kind of way. And then I just woke up [inaudible] and I was lucid again. I was interacting with the real world, and I just felt totally different like a totally different personality and mindset, shift.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

Hhm.

Sarah Johannesen Murray
Sarah Johannesen Murray

Well that’s very interesting.

46:03 I have had several clients miraculously be cured recently.

Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray

Finally wwith